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24 Mar 2009, 12:36 pm

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Take a look at how many views a thread gets compared to the number of posts. Many look at a thread, read it, & decide there's nothing more that needs to be said. People read your posts. You're just so thourough that they're often hard to respond to.


That is true. I read his posts in PPR but I don't think I've replied directly to one for the same reason.
I only tend to post if I disagree with what someone says or add extra information. Some people's posts are complete and need no further comment. It would be silly just to do replies saying simply "I agree".

I agree


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24 Mar 2009, 12:50 pm

b9,
cant speak for the whole forum but have always read any posts have written,never ignored them, maybe it is a question of not knowing or not having anything to say,rather than not reading.

are part of wrongplanet as much as anyone else so shouldn't disappear.


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24 Mar 2009, 2:24 pm

Yeah - sounds as if we all usually agree with you - which is why we don't attack you.

Also - you don't pick apart other members, state extreme views, or make jokes at other's expense.

You don't give us a lot of reasons to respond. Sorry! Maybe you should post more topics - then do a little moderating. You'd be good at it - and you'd get a better sense of involvement.

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24 Mar 2009, 2:27 pm

That may be the first "I'm Leaving" thread wherein the OP has not come back to argue his or her point with others.

I think that B9 is actually gone!



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24 Mar 2009, 6:37 pm

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i think i am so tired of posting my thoughts on this site because it is to no avail.
i am not saying i am leaving, but i just know that i can never make a dent in this place because my mundane words are just scrolled past and become history in a short time.


The WHOLE INTERNET is the same!

b9 wrote:
i was dared by someone to join this site and try to get people to talk to me, and they said i could never do it.
i thought they were wrong, but i have learned a valuable lesson.


WOW! On a DARE!?

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unless you are cute or articulate or deviant, this site is no haven.


How do you know if a person here is cute? Some have been so articulate as to put the rest to shame, but all have their good and bad. How are deviant people respected here?

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but i am not saying i will not post tomorrow. i am just saying that you have to be "star" material to get noticed in such a big base of people.
all but giftedness and above is ignored as mediocrity here.


WOW, some here have PRAISED mediocrity.

b9 wrote:
i do not need any responses to this post.


But you started by saying that you disliked that lack!

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i just think that i put effort into my posts, and then i am talked over to the poster behind me as if i do not exist.


Welcome to the good ol'e BBS mentality!

b9 wrote:
i am tired and not that well, and i am disappointed that as hard as i try to communicate to who i think is like me, i remain alone.

but alone is not such a bad thing i guess.


yeah. 8-/

b9 wrote:
i do not want any appraisals of my posting style. i do not want anything like condolence.


OKY DOKY!

b9 wrote:
good night and do not reply please.
this is only a statement and not a gripe.


See above

b9 wrote:
i am in a meltdown for another reason and i hope i can delete this tomorrow when i see it is petulant.


Obviously, you realize that now. OH WELL! OK, NOW your post can scroll by me! :lol:



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24 Mar 2009, 6:39 pm

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That may be the first "I'm Leaving" thread wherein the OP has not come back to argue his or her point with others.

I think that B9 is actually gone!


Well, B9 WAS here B4! Sorry, I couldn't resist! :cry:



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24 Mar 2009, 7:07 pm

Well he does/did have some valid points. The only resson I am tolerated here is becasue I am cute, intelligent, articulate and charming. It really makes no difference what I say as I will be accepted anyways since I have such well defined socialization skills.


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24 Mar 2009, 8:02 pm

I like reading b9's posts and I like having b9 around. I hope he continues to post at WP.



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24 Mar 2009, 8:06 pm

garyww wrote:
Well he does/did have some valid points. The only reason I am tolerated here is because I am cute, intelligent, articulate and charming.


Don't leave out modest. :P



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24 Mar 2009, 8:12 pm

I dont really understand this thread. I have only made a tiny handful of posts or threads and whether osmeone responded or not I can tell they are being read and perhaps agreed/disagreed upon and it only matters that the thoughts are out there. I dontp ost here to become popular or to be noticed, I post here because I feel like I belong, because all of you are dealing with the same issues I am faced with, and more importantly, all of you are finding ways to accept and deal with it. I saw this forum was on somethingawful.com being made fun of before, and they really didnt take it seriously, but this is honestly a very legitimate place and I do not feel as though my aspie ways really keep me from being an overall functioning adult. It makes htings awkward, but just knowing you guys are around makes it easier to come to terms with. And thats really the point of posting here. Just to know I am not alone.



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24 Mar 2009, 9:08 pm

b9 wrote:
i think i am so tired of posting my thoughts on this site because it is to no avail.
i am not saying i am leaving, but i just know that i can never make a dent in this place because my mundane words are just scrolled past and become history in a short time.

i was dared by someone to join this site and try to get people to talk to me, and they said i could never do it.
i thought they were wrong, but i have learned a valuable lesson.

unless you are cute or articulate or deviant, this site is no haven.

but i am not saying i will not post tomorrow. i am just saying that you have to be "star" material to get noticed in such a big base of people.
all but giftedness and above is ignored as mediocrity here.

i do not need any responses to this post.

i just think that i put effort into my posts, and then i am talked over to the poster behind me as if i do not exist.

but whatever.

i am tired and not that well, and i am disappointed that as hard as i try to communicate to who i think is like me, i remain alone.

but alone is not such a bad thing i guess.

i do not want any appraisals of my posting style. i do not want anything like condolence.

good night and do not reply please.
this is only a statement and not a gripe.

i am in a meltdown for another reason and i hope i can delete this tomorrow when i see it is petulant.


Don't leave. Just take a different approach to the site. Just try to use it to better understand yourself and others. I come here for that reason. I am never going to make a friend from here and most of the people probably hate me, but none the less I come back.



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24 Mar 2009, 9:32 pm

Okay b9, here ya go. I not only responded to your post but indicated how impressive it was. Your post was insightful and brilliant and I acknowledged it at the time. Not only that, but I have never forgotten you because of that post. And here is the proof. It was 5 months ago.

b9 wrote:
you have no choice in what you are bound to choose. you just are conscious of the process and therfore think you are responsible inherently for it.


You can check out my response. It starts:

alba wrote:
b9 said it all back on page 1. You have no choice in what you are bound to choose. Still it seems that we weigh options and make decisions. However just because we seemingly choose to be aware of choosing whatever we choose..doesn't mean "we as individuals" are in conntrol of the process. (b9 also made that point). And if not, who or what is?...



www.wrongplanet.net/postp1810067.html#1810067



Please stay. Your comments are valued. If you've made a comment in a thread I'm posting in, I promise to reply in the future...at least a few times.



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24 Mar 2009, 10:12 pm

whaaaaat?

my dear Robot...Zachary here...Zachary Smith.

I have furthermore conferred with our dear, good, loyal friends, Penny and Will Robinson.
Get your dastardly contraption of a body back here before i B9 you with my pee pee gun.

We have work to do............

Otherwise you will be relegated to the mighty gravity-free scrap heap and permanently Lost in (outer) Space.





(seriously, your avatar is one of the best on WP.)



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25 Mar 2009, 8:56 am

i feel silly that i started this topic. i was very tired and approaching a meltdown because of a number of factors not related to this site. briefly, it was that i had to go to my "girlfriend's" place for a party celebrating her grandmothers birthday.
she has brothers and sisters around my age, and they treated me like a squawking parrot, and ignored every input i tried to contribute to their conversation.

they never "cocked an ear" toward what i had to say, and i had sensible things to add that they had not thought of, and when i talked a bit louder to try to get my idea across, they chuckled and shook their heads and continued to ignore me.

her parents (my female friend's parent) decided that i may need to go home as i was being too energetic in trying to say my part in the conversation.
they never gave me a chance and i went home and then i came here and saw what i deemed to be similar ignorance.
but i was just extrapolating their ignorance into my perception of how i am seen here.

i was wrong.
i was too tired and cranky to know i was wrong.
i had that defeatist resignation that i associate with a foetal meltdown.
i felt at the "party" that my thoughts were just bullets made of marshmallow, and i can never pierce anyone elses imagination with them, no matter how eagerly i try.
i transposed that attitude without consideration to this site.

i never started a thread before except the "hello i am new" type of thread, so i feel committed to respond to all those that answered me because they did not ignore me.
it is a big job so i will not start any more threads in future.

i really thought this thread would have no replies after 2 days when i would have posted "see what i mean?"

i thought i may get a "see ya later" reply if i got one at all.
that is what her brothers and sisters said with food in their mouths when i said i will go because they are not interested to include me. i blurrred that reaction i had to them into this site.

so i will try to respond.

sbcmetroguy wrote:
My friend, this sounds an awful lot like how I was feeling this weekend when I made my post which I ended up editing out later.

I do understand how you feel, because even I posted the other day that I can't even seem to fit in with other people with AS. And if you can't fit in with similar people, then where can you fit in?

And while I often feel overlooked in some threads, I also know that I, too, am guilty of overlooking others. I honestly, though, attribute AS to this in that I do often not consider the fact that there are others posting, at the time it's just my thoughts that matter to me and I will look for posts that share similar views and immediately respond to those. Plus the ADHD, in that I also skim most reading material as well, which also includes posts on this forum.

I hope this all makes sense, I am extremely tired today and my head hurts, so I feel like I am not making sense.

you make sense and i appreciate what you said.
i do not attribute AS to anything really. i realized what i was typing was hypocritical because i too scroll past long posts that do not seem to catch my mind when i skim the first 2 sentences.
there is not enough time in my day to scrutinize every post i read and force myself to calculate the sense in it. if it is not in my exact "thinking language", i will move on. i could solve the puzzle to make it in the same format as my thinking so i understand, but i only come here intermittently between 10pm-2am to post.
so i understand why long saga style posts are not read.

but i always think that even if no one reads my posts now, they may be read by someone in the future who is researching. so i still feel that there is a reason to post even if no one is interested at this time.


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http://aspergia.moroccoforum.net


well i was was a member of 2 other asperger sites. everywhere is the same. thanks for the link but i do not want to join any new forums. your aspergia idea is far too passionate and driven for me to understand. i do not care what happens with the world as long as my microcosmic existence is preserved and unchanged. if it is threatened by some external global catastrophe, then i will move my participation and expenditure of energy outside my own realm, and spend it on stopping what i consider may be destructive to my way of life in my microcosm.


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I kinda don't really connect with people much, so it's probably more me (and a lot of other posters here) than you. Stuff has to catch my attention. It's really not personal, it's just what happens when a lot of people with an addiction to information and bad social skills get together.

One thing I've found that's helpful is that if you make it easy for someone to reply, they will. Asking a direct question has that effect, so does asking people for their experiences. We're not all that good at give-and-take with conversation, in general, so you've got to kind of leave an opening that makes it easy for someone to formulate a response. Think of what makes it easiest for you to think of something to say, and put that in your post.

Also, the ADHD among us might have trouble with long posts. I'm a frequent offender here--I ramble on for ages. If you can make them short, but not too short, do that.


i can not make it easy for someone to reply. i do not know what "holes" in the conversation need to be left unplugged so that someone else can mention (plug) them and contribute. but i am not worried about it. the post was posted yesterday, and my crankiness never lasts for more than 6-12 hours.

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Sora wrote:
You're right in saying that but I also think you shouldn't think too much about it or worry too much about it.

This truly is a place of autistic people. Even when they read responses of others, they might totally not respond to them because their social and communication deficits.

So, just saying that not being replied to doesn't mean you don't get noticed.


so i realize now. this thread is all i needed to know. i do not need people to respond, but i need to know at least someone reads what i write.
it is difficult to judge with no feedback whether anyone has read the words i spent time in thinking.
but if they responded to me i would feel strange, and so my ideal situation is if i could have a counter that showed if anyone read my entire post. i know that is impossible, but it would make me post much more.
if people started trying to include me in their social group by responding too enthusiastically, i would withdraw. i just want a quiet nod from people in real life. not a "ohmagod that was awesome dude" response.

thanks for saying you read my posts. that is all i need to know.
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I don't understand what some people want out of a message board. Are you sad because you don't get 9 pages of responses to the threads you make? More replies = Intarweb WIN!

Sorry, but you can't be mad at a cat for not being a dog. If you came here with the expectation that joining a message board will be like having an instant circle of close friends who will love you and dote on your every post, you're going to be disappointed no matter what message board you post on.

I have to say, this is probably one of the most friendly, welcoming places on the internet and if you can't be satisfied with it the way it is, then alter your expectations.

no i came here with no expectations except that among 25000 members, someone would be similar to me.
i am not looking for friends or doting adoration.
i would be very upset if suddenly i got a "fan base". i would not post anything if people were hanging on my words.
i was just annoyed last night.

i did not say this was an "unwelcoming site". i said it is too big for me to make a ripple in. people on this site are very friendly, but there are so many posts, that whatever i post is back 3 pages before i review it.

i may just repeat i was not saying anything unkind about WP. that is maybe your impression.
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Bye!

huh? i did not say i was going. you have not been thorough in your research.
i do not do ( i wrote a lyric once and i think it is fitting as a response)
"boo hoo hoo!!
i hate you!!
you ripped off my bandaids,
and spat on my sores
so now i'm shootin' through"

type of threads.


pavel_filonov wrote:
The style of this forum does tend to be people posting their experiences one after the other, and not very conversational. For my part I actually try not to get into too much discussion because I find it stressfull having to maintain a conversation, even if its electronic. Looking at the low reads-to-replies ratios, I imagine I can't be the only one. Doesn't mean I don't read stuff and relate to it... I probably should be more pro-active about saying so.

The "random" forum seems a bit more chatty, maybe you could try posting in there?


i was just tired last night. i am no longer interested in it really.
but the post count thing is interesting.
most of my posts are long winded and some people with post counts of 5000+ say "lol" alot.

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B9 - sorry you're feeling blue. I am, too. I enjoy reading your posts. You are usually quite objective and upbeat. I don't get all down and mad reading your posts.

You, too sbc...I like you're posts, too. You're always funny. (I just read the one about you throwing up at the smell of beans!)

thanks.
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garyww wrote:
If you go who will keep me in line?

i never kept you in line. i never really responded to you as far as i can remember.
i would never try to keep someone in line.

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deadeyexx wrote:
Take a look at how many views a thread gets compared to the number of posts. Many look at a thread, read it, & decide there's nothing more that needs to be said. People read your posts. You're just so thourough that they're often hard to respond to.

Btw, do you notice the kinds of people who do get the most attention on here. They just make a lot of short posts saying dumb & contreversial stuff. Make your next post about how great it is to worship Satan & eat babies and I'm sure you'll get the attention you're looking for.


i am not looking for attention of that nature.
i am not looking for attention at all.
i just never can tell if anyone ever read the words i posted. even in the future i will never know.
i agree that people who get the most attention are the ones who post controversial things. i am not worried now.


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TallyMan wrote:
deadeyexx wrote:
Take a look at how many views a thread gets compared to the number of posts. Many look at a thread, read it, & decide there's nothing more that needs to be said. People read your posts. You're just so thourough that they're often hard to respond to.


That is true. I read his posts in PPR but I don't think I've replied directly to one for the same reason.
I only tend to post if I disagree with what someone says or add extra information. Some people's posts are complete and need no further comment. It would be silly just to do replies saying simply "I agree".

i agree.

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I think it's important when posting on a message board that you do it for yourself, and not for how others will respond to it. You can vent, you can debate, and some make friends ... but I haven't seen much of that for myself over all the years I've posted in various places. I guess I'm not much different on a message board than in real life ... which is, just a little distant. It's how I present myself to the world, so it is my choice in a way, even if I've never done it consciously, and I need to accept that.

And here ... well, you'll see more of that than in other places. Most AS simply are, "a little distant." Often wrapped up in their own issues or their own perspective, or simply unaware of those little words and phrases that can make others feel instantly connected to a person.

But, hey, when I come here at least I'm not burdened by knowing that everyone else is super close and I'm the only one chirping in from the sidelines.

And I'm probably not even AS myself - I came here looking for information on my son. But, it's comfortable for me.


yes i do do it for myself. i know my thoughts are safe on a big well maintained server, and they will probably be preserved.
i am not too concerned who understands me now, as long as the possibility of someone someday understanding me is preserved.

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b9, cant speak for the whole forum but have always read any posts have written,never ignored them, maybe it is a question of not knowing or not having anything to say,rather than not reading. are part of wrongplanet as much as anyone else so shouldn't disappear.

thanks to you. i did not say i was going to go anywhere. i was just complaining in a silly way.

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Yeah - sounds as if we all usually agree with you - which is why we don't attack you.

Also - you don't pick apart other members, state extreme views, or make jokes at other's expense.

You don't give us a lot of reasons to respond. Sorry! Maybe you should post more topics - then do a little moderating. You'd be good at it - and you'd get a better sense of involvement.

:)

yes i see that i am rarely attacked. but i also know that if no one reads, they will not be inclined to attack.

i could not possibly moderate because i have no idea what is proper.
thanks for your reply.

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Fnord wrote:
That may be the first "I'm Leaving" thread wherein the OP has not come back to argue his or her point with others.

I think that B9 is actually gone!


no i was tired and i posted this topic and i went to bed and i forgot about it, and after my days work, i came back to see many replies and i was surprised.
i did not say i was leaving.
if i left, i would not announce it. it would happen gradually and i would post shorter things to less threads, and then it would evaporate without any one noticing.

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Well he does/did have some valid points. The only resson I am tolerated here is becasue I am cute, intelligent, articulate and charming. It really makes no difference what I say as I will be accepted anyways since I have such well defined socialization skills.

you also have a scruffy look and i saw your video of you talking, and i was surprised and soothed by your impassionate tone.
i read most of your posts with my memory of how you talk and it is funny to me.
i think you have a good talent for representing a character that i always knew even though i never saw one like it.

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I like reading b9's posts and I like having b9 around. I hope he continues to post at WP.


that is very simple and pure and i trust what you said completely.
i did not say i was leaving.

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Don't leave. Just take a different approach to the site. Just try to use it to better understand yourself and others. I come here for that reason. I am never going to make a friend from here and most of the people probably hate me, but none the less I come back.


i need to contribute in order to feel participant. i do not want to make a "friend". i just want to participate sometimes. i do not want to sit as a lurker and watch.
i am not going to leave and i never said in my OP that i was considering it.
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Okay b9, here ya go. I not only responded to your post but indicated how impressive it was. Your post was insightful and brilliant and I acknowledged it at the time. Not only that, but I have never forgotten you because of that post. And here is the proof. It was 5 months ago.
b9 wrote:
you have no choice in what you are bound to choose. you just are conscious of the process and therfore think you are responsible inherently for it.


You can check out my response. It starts:

alba wrote:
b9 said it all back on page 1. You have no choice in what you are bound to choose. Still it seems that we weigh options and make decisions. However just because we seemingly choose to be aware of choosing whatever we choose..doesn't mean "we as individuals" are in conntrol of the process. (b9 also made that point). And if not, who or what is?...

please stay. Your comments are valued. If you've made a comment in a thread I'm posting in, I promise to reply in the future...at least a few times.


well i never saw that. i read my email notifications of responses to threads i have posted in, but after i have not posted in a thread for a long time, and there are more than 50 posts by other posters since my last post, then i am no longer notified about activity in that thread.
i no longer get email notifications of any new posts in the "post a random picture" thread, even though i posted in it.
other threads like "post a random thought", and "post a pic of the real you" are no longer active in my email notification routine beause i presume i have not participated in them less than 50 posts ago.
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whaaaaat?

my dear Robot...Zachary here...Zachary Smith.

I have furthermore conferred with our dear, good, loyal friends, Penny and Will Robinson.
Get your dastardly contraption of a body back here before i B9 you with my pee pee gun.

We have work to do............

Otherwise you will be relegated to the mighty gravity-free scrap heap and permanently Lost in (outer) Space.

i am sorry Dr. Smith. it seems that my environmental dissemination units are impaired.
if my circuits can be removed and dusted and reinserted,, then i will be immune to the desire to compute the manner of cross pollination of irrational sequences contained within idiosyncrasies exhibited in the assertions of carbon based life forms.
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this was just a complaining thread. it was not an "i am leaving" self pityimng thread.
i hope this thread descends into the depths of undisturbed history just like i complained about.
i am sorry i posted it.
that is all.




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yes i went in for a lube and polish just before that shot. my bubble is very clear.

i need my bubble cleaned again soon.



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I am never going to make a friend from here and most of the people probably hate me, but none the less I come back.


Very insightful! I've always had a love/hate thing with people hating me. 8)

Growing up, I tried so hard to change my evil ways - but as I learn more about AS (and ADHD, and OCD, and all the other fun acronyms), I'm beginning to understand the labels and my own history with being a sh**head.

My a-hole-ness has served me well. Actually, most people like me - but those that hate me - really hate me.

My husband is one of these people who has to have everyone like him - even worthless pieces of sh**. It doesn't serve him well! He always gets screwed! (This was actually on The Office last night - where Michael has to have everyone like him, too.)

I find it interesting to consider the reasons someone hates me, rather than worry about making them like me.

Why do they hate me? Usually because they label me perky, hyper, inconsiderate, lucky, stupid, bossy, clueless, happy, careless, boisterous, narcisstic, shallow, cruel, spoiled, politically incorrect, too politically correct, disruptive, insensitive, immoral, petulant, boastful, wasteful, charmed, messy, impulsive, boring, un-Christian, self-destructive, self-centered...

But I know the real me - and it's way more complicated than the labels.

This is also why I try to refrain from judging other people. I don't know all the stuff that goes on in their head. And I've had people come up to me who said they always thought I was a "b***h" until they got to know me.

Beeeeeeee yourself! B9 - and everyone else? Don't worry what a bunch of headcases think! :)

And yes - its good therapy to rant or meltdown on-line. It can provide a lot of insight and it's "relatively" safe to make an ass of yourself here. :twisted:


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25 Mar 2009, 9:42 am

@b9:
You mentioned "research" not once, but twice in your last post. Relax, no one is doing any research here, just hang around and post whatever you want, not "what some researcher would like to read in the future". Relax. Change your attitude, no one in this forum is here to judge you.


hope this next sentence translates what I want to say in english:

b9, BTW, if you don't even like people like your girl's brothers, why try to hang around with them? They don't even respect you, so f*ck them, don't be anybody's mat or clown. Be yourself, to hell with Everyone else, respect yourself more, live Your life, not others (and this too is related to the "research" thing of yours in this forum).


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