How Can We Prepare for Social Unrest & Civil Disorder?

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It won't happen, if we are as smart and progressive people as our modern, industrial society seems to be

Doesn't all of this discussion of buying guns, ammunition, and joining the local militia (mob) harks back to a
primitive mentality.

Heck, if the US collapses, the states should devolve into regional groupings.

Besides, aren't you asking for trouble where there is none.

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I'm still using leftovers from my Y2K bunker.

I think we can relax for the time being because I took a look at he the article
International Monetary Fund head: "The Financial Crisis Can Lead to Social Unrest and Even War"
The warning against social unrest or war was for countries not taking measures to prevent economic disaster. Countries with politicians who create stimulus packages should be alright. They want us to start borrowing money again.
The results won't happen overnight.

I for one don't have a lot of confidence in Tim Geitner especially after today where it appeared that he is a little troubled by his own proposals and wasn't even aware that the Czech gonvernement collasped yesterday when the banks failed.

I suppose the question to really ask, is "who can actually survive in the wild?"

I have already survived quite bit and come through relatively unscathed, although others might well disagree there.
i've already taken a bit in my stride, as have many older autists.

The only thing that should be compulsory at school is being dumped out in the bush on your own for a few days with some rudimentary supplies to help you on your way.

Then, when you get back to civilisation, you could be IQ tested on it and then we could all start hierarchising and working out who was the top dog and the smartest in the pack. We could even start giving out gowns and funny hats to people...
you are TOP in fire-making. YOU my dear girl, came third in skinning - only enough for a green ribbon, but better than the other thirty duds in the class.

I do declare...I just may have stumbled upon someting here......

I think you have stumbled upon a nightmare world there. If society did this it would be shorn of all those that are physically disabled, or even just physically feeble. Also, how could skinning be considered a more important skill to teach a child than, for instance, mathematics?

If you are imagining this as happening after society has collapsed, though, then I think there are different problems. For such an education system society must have been reformed to an extent. By that time, we do not need an entire generation of children trained in firemaking, for we would need but a few professional firemakers to support us.

Or are you joking, and have I just gone and been all AS in reading what you have written?

I guess you have not been a position to have to survive so you have no way to understand that there are more skills a person needs than the knowledge of mathematics once the normal conventions of society start to come unfastened.

I still maintain if the government gave the money to each of us instead of banks and corporations it would fix the problem. There would be no slagging economy, no impending economic disaster and confidence would increase substantially.
I originally heard about this on a local morning radio show. The announcer talked about "trickle up" economics instead of "trickle down". He said if the government would give everyone over a certain age $500,000 there wouldn't be any problems, people wouldn't be defaulting on loans, and people would be spending. That would help much more than throwing the money at huge faceless entities.
Results would be immediate, too.

Oh, I know how worthless mathematics would be in such a scenario. I was merely pointing out that, as far as my imagination carried the scenario, there is no way to set up a school of such kind for teaching skills important in a societal collapse in a way that would be of great assistance to humanity.

If we assume the school is in founded before a collapse, we are - I think - better served in teaching subjects like mathematics (I was using mathematics as a representative of the subjects children are taught now) because it would help to allay the collapse.

On the other hand, if we assume the school is founded post-collapse, I can only imagine something so organised as a school existing in a world in which we have regained some measure of stability for society. If this is the case, I think, we would again be better served teaching subjects like mathematics because it would assist in the rebuilding of society.

Of course, my whole argument assumes we all prefer society to disorder. I know I certainly do, because for all the times that society has been unhelpful (I'm using this as a euphemism) I still view it as preferrable to the bloody chaos we would be in without it.

I would also bet he has not read Karel Capek, War with the Newts.

This disaster changed when Bill Clinton told Obama that he had to put out a message of hope. Since then it has been pure spin.

The biggest danger comes from countries with politicians.

Citi Bank stock went up 300% in a week?

AIG went up, we own it, how can something 80% owned by the government go up?

Fanny and Freddie went up? We own them 100%.

Housing is falling still, unemployment is up, sales are down, taxes are down, and the market goes up 1,000 points?

The major banks have $12 trillion in losses and Geitner is going to fix that for $1 trillion, with more coming in every day, and now the banks are claiming to be profitable?

We are $12 trillion in the hole, took $35 Billion in bailout, but we made $100 Million in January?

At that rate they can pay off the bailout in 35 years, and cover their losses, in 12,000 years.

The American people cannot act in haste, we must wait for our leaders to lead?

Insurance companies that don't payoff, everyone goes to jail, the company is disolved. Banks that are bankrupt are closed, unless it is your Harvard Classmates.

Dear, Dear McTell...i was serious about surviving and learning bush skills.
i was joking about the testing of the skills. Most who know me here and know my views on testing would have understood.
i was being facetious.

oh...and if one understands nature..one can understand most everything. and that, McTell, would get humanity out of a darn lot of current trouble.

Och, I thought you were joking... honest... completely saw through it.

don't worry. I am surprisingly ok at understanding my own jokes but terrible at absorbing and comprehending others' jokes.
I can understand some dry humour, but any jokey-jokes and i am the deadpan woman who is staring blankly at the group of people who are in a state of hilarity over a string of words.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=319944
Collapse Underway

It most definitely is really happening.

People in general don't actually plan for major emergencies anymore since they automatically assume the government agencies will handle things like they do during earthquakes and storms. Well at least they do a little but it's generally better than nothing. Unfortunately what happens when the major emergency is the shutdown of the very governments themselves. It does happen and far more often than we remember but so far it hasn't happened to us yet unless you consider the 1930's a major emergency. For some people it was and for others it wasn't all that bad. Perhaps things will be regional again if something happens. I sure would not want to be living in a large metro area if things shut down.
The first signs of these types of things are usually script being issued instead of money to the gov employees and the armed forces and no tax refunds being issued so we should have ample warnings.