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28 Mar 2009, 4:05 pm

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My functional IQ report finally came in. It is 60. I was only told before that it was under 70, I I thought it would be higher, like 68 or 69. I mean, my verbal IQ is 131!

He believes my IQ is that compromised by my Asperger's Syndrome and my anxiety disorder. This is a 71 point spread.

I guess this means my AS is moderate? I guess severe would be much lower than I scored. It was kind of a shocker.


Any test that scores YOU by other peoples opinions, and/or is subjective, is subject to EXTREME error! Frankly, I would consider it WORTHLESS!


But if it's a test to evaluate how you interact with other people then you have to include those people's opinions, otherwise it's even more skewed. The opinion of one person vs the opinions of several weighed up? Look up subjective in the dictionary. Silly billy.



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28 Mar 2009, 4:19 pm

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I'm actually very sad about this. The report painted me as really pathetic. I felt like I'd wasted my life with illusions.

The good news is that now I will get help with things and better benefits, though. That's what I most need.

But, tonight I still feel sad about the report and sad about my cat.


Whitetiger, i am really sorry to hear that you're feeling rubbish about this :(. It's a completely natural reaction though, and I'm seeing my brother go through this at the moment as we;re having to fill out loads of AS assessments for him to claim benefits.

It's obviously a shock to the system to see how other people see you, when you have been living with your own perceptions and (presumably) high expectations for so long.

But once you have got over the initial shock, then I hope that you will be able to use the information in order to work on those areas that have been highlighted in the report. If your goal is to function better in certain situations, or to be better accepted in certain situations, then this is a gift.

If you have someone you trust that you can work on these things with, then you will soon be able to work out ways to get around the traits that you have that you are disappointed with.

You are not pathetic, what you're feeling is perfectly normal. I am certain that other people don't see you as pathetic (I don't see my brother that way).

It's really really useful tool to see how others perceive you - if you don't like what you hear it gives you the power to change it, or clear up misunderstandings.

It can take a lot of courage to do so, but you can be proud of yourself and know that you are braver than a lot of other people might be in the same situation - certainly not pathetic in the slightest.

Good luck x



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28 Mar 2009, 4:35 pm

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How did you get a PHD with a ret*d functional IQ? Shouldn't you be in an institution or what?



f**k OFF YOU TOSSER.
go down to the mall and play with your friends. this is an autism site. 8O 8O 8O :evil:

Had thought that wasn't fair on whitetiger at all also....since when did the autism spectrum become so easily to organise as to say-low functional iq=no educational ability? it does not work like that,functioning problems can be caused by a lot more than mental retardation and learning disabilities.


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28 Mar 2009, 4:47 pm

whitetiger wrote:
I'm actually very sad about this. The report painted me as really pathetic. I felt like I'd wasted my life with illusions.

The good news is that now I will get help with things and better benefits, though. That's what I most need.

But, tonight I still feel sad about the report and sad about my cat.


I can't say what level that makes your AS, but I am sure you are NOT pathetic. These criteria are very cold, and that makes they sound so much worse than they really are. So you have weak areas. Who does NOT?

I remember how difficult it was to sit and hear the results of the assessments on my son. It would have been even harder, I think, to hear those statistics if they had been about myself. Some things we just don't need to know. My son's upper body strength was at an age 4 level when he was 9. What does that MEAN? He learned to ride a bike 5 years after the average child, but he still learned it, and he LOVES riding.

It's the same for all the functional aspects of life. We adapt. We learn what we really need; don't learn what we don't really need. If any of those skills had been essential to the life you wanted to live, you would have acquired them. At least well enough to score a little higher. Apparently they just aren't that essential.

So ... it's good to know that maybe there is a reason for some things that happen in your life and that may seem unfair at the time. It's good to see your own part in it, for then you can FIX it if you really want or need to, or can rearrange things to mitigate the problem. In that way, the knowledge will be power.

But don't let it get you down. Nothing about who you are has been changed. Be comfortable in your own skin. Be proud of your gifts, and gear your life towards those.


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28 Mar 2009, 5:16 pm

Yeah. Lagging behind and learning slower aren't so bad; you get there eventually. I could never have made a phone call or ordered at a restaurant or organized a social group when I was a kid and I got that "you're functioning as well as a four year old" thing. I've come a long way since then, and just being an adult hasn't stopped my continuing development. We keep learning into adulthood--all our lives, in fact, if the mature types around here are any indication.

Besides, remember "functional IQ" is probably your weakest point. No wonder it's your lowest score.


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28 Mar 2009, 5:28 pm

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How did you get a PHD with a ret*d functional IQ? Shouldn't you be in an institution or what?


how do you know they are not in an institution already, protest_the_hero?
we have institutionalized autists here on WP as well as in group homes and living at their parent's home. Why you would want to make someone that lives in an institution uncomfortable as well as the person you are posting to is against the rules of WP.

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28 Mar 2009, 5:36 pm

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How did you get a PHD with a ret*d functional IQ? Shouldn't you be in an institution or what?


how do you know they are not in an institution already, protest_the_hero?
we have institutionalized autists here on WP as well as in group homes and living at their parent's home. Why you would want to make someone that lives in an institution uncomfortable as well as the person you are posting to is against the rules of WP.

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said with a tad more finesse than i could muster!



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28 Mar 2009, 5:56 pm

is functional iq another name for performance iq?


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28 Mar 2009, 6:35 pm

Basically it is a measure of adaptive skills.

In most cases, an individual's adaptive skills (which includes daily living skills, self help skills, communication/socialization skills, community living, etc..), are commensurate with their overall cognitive skills. A lot of individuals on the spectrum, not all, have a discrepancy between their adaptive skills and assessed cognitive skills. I do have to say a lot of genius' without Aspergers have a discrepancy as well.

A lot of adaptive skills can be learned more easily than cognitive skills as measured by standardized IQ tests.



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28 Mar 2009, 8:07 pm

Is there any way to take a functional iq test without involving family & friends? I would like to know what my functional iq score would be, but I haven't told my family or friends that I am an Aspie and I don't plan to.


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28 Mar 2009, 9:13 pm

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How did you get a PHD with a ret*d functional IQ? Shouldn't you be in an institution or what?
Sorry I was just thinking of how you could handle the social parts of school and deal with all the work, obligations and whatnot.
P.S. 70=technically "ret*d"



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28 Mar 2009, 9:36 pm

Yes, 70 is the cutoff, but in the mild range, people will often live and work on their own, with very little or no help. While the majority live with family, it is quite possible to be completely independent and self-supporting. Some of my co-workers when I worked at Goodwill had mild MR; most lived on their own and a couple had driver's licenses. Intermittent support, such as living in an apartment building with various services available (meal delivery, laundry, shopping, financial management, etc.), allows people with rather significant MR to live quite independently. 24 hour assistance is really only needed for severe/profound, when it becomes dangerous not to have someone nearby to ensure safety and help with daily living activities.

I think the idea that people with cognitive disabilities are basically incompetent is what is keeping so many of them unnecessarily in group homes, nursing homes, and other various institutions.


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29 Mar 2009, 12:12 am

where can one get one of these functional iqs? i never heard of them before, id probably score low too though, when ur 24, have probs dressing urself sometimes, problems using a fork and knife i know how pathetic is that, i swear idk where the brain is durin the moments i need her the most lol, cant do my own hair, or cook, cant communicate the best, cant handle a job, cant handle being alone for 24 hours at all, and etc. The other day my family celebrated when i buttoned my own outfit, now thats sad haha. Either way i know itll be lower but oh well, i dont think its because of just the autism either, i think a lot of it has to do with the times i needed to learn all of the above, i wasnt getting any help, and nobody knew what to do with me so instead of dealin with the meltdowns, tantrums, headbanging, they did everything for me, and now im left very disabled due to it. Wow sorry for the sob story, but anwyays dont feel bad whitetiger, ur not alone and it doesnt define you, its just another label, its not who you are at all hehe!


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29 Mar 2009, 12:18 am

It's called the Vineland Composite, and a professional can administer it for you; if you can't ask, get your mother or someone else to ask your current psychiatrist about it. He might be able to do it, or he might refer you to someone.

It can show that someone with an IQ of 120, can effectively function as a twelve years old.

People never seem to take me seriously when I say that I'm no different to when I was six; I'm certain that the Vineland Composite will show that I'll function around that level, no matter how high my academic IQ is.



29 Mar 2009, 12:29 am

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How did you get a PHD with a ret*d functional IQ? Shouldn't you be in an institution or what?



f**k OFF YOU TOSSER.
go down to the mall and play with your friends. this is an autism site. 8O 8O 8O :evil:



I thought it was a curious question. :? Sometimes I am so afraid to even type thinking what if someone misunderstands me.



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29 Mar 2009, 1:04 am

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How did you get a PHD with a ret*d functional IQ? Shouldn't you be in an institution or what?
Sorry I was just thinking of how you could handle the social parts of school and deal with all the work, obligations and whatnot.
P.S. 70=technically "ret*d"


ok point taken. i thought you were being mean on purpose?
glad you were not.