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Should aspies have kids?
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No 9%  9%  [ 10 ]
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robo37
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16 Apr 2009, 10:48 am

If someone told me that I'm not supposed to have kids just because my brains slightly different than theirs I would just tell them to f' off.



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16 Apr 2009, 11:03 am

My relatives breed quite prodigiously, so I'm not too worried about the representation of my genes in the pool. My theory is that aspies are produced because they use their specialized talents to protect their siblings, cousins, and genetically similar friends. Obviously, being an aspie is usually detrimental to the individual aspie's breeding prospects. However, having offspring of one's own is not the only way that biological fitness can be expressed. Individuals who keep their highly fertile relatives from getting nuked, have high evolutionary value even if they have no children of their own.

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what would happen without aspies? Where would we be. Google would have to shut down. And probably NASA. Who would invent the world? Who would be the champions of neuro-diversity?

We would be lost, as a species, as all the middle-management types danced and socialized our world into oblivion, with no one around who knew how to hack the espresso machine into a disco smoke machine and get double lattes at the right temperature.


NTs can do these things, too. It's just a different set of priorities. If you're having children, you don't have time to work out all the nuances of how your TV works or tweak your car for fuel economy or to run on different fuels.

One can imagine that putting up a flawless presentation of oneself for the purpose of making friends and breeding partners must also be very taxing and time consuming, too. This would leave no time or energy for starting Google, earning a PhD, running NASA, or finding novel uses for coffeemakers.

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Anyone who has studied environmental issues knows about the necessity of genetic diversity, and the dangers of the mono-crop. Well NTs are a monocrop. Remember, Aspies are not broken. Society is broken. Society has LOST its ability to be inclusive and accommodating of anyone who is not NT.


Monocrops are bad, and diversity is needed to make our species robust! The dating/marriage scene is highly biased against anyone with a noticeable difference. People wrangle for the best partners, and anyone who is a little slow to respond, etc. is out! I don't know whether this is a good thing or a bad thing from an evolutionary standpoint, but it sure isn't very kind at the individual level.


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16 Apr 2009, 12:52 pm

I know I do want to start a family, and I can't date anyone who doesn't.

As for how many, I haven't decided. As for them possibly being on the spectrum, I'm an Aspie, and I turned out ok.



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16 Apr 2009, 12:53 pm

Well, I don't want any kids at all. I rather have a cat instead.



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16 Apr 2009, 1:12 pm

Who said in order to have children we need to raise them ourselves. If any guy genuinely believes that there should be more aspies - I put this question to you: How much sperm have you donated?



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16 Apr 2009, 1:15 pm

Kangoogle wrote:
Who said in order to have children we need to raise them ourselves. If any guy genuinely believes that there should be more aspies - I put this question to you: How much sperm have you donated?


Interesting question. You think that the donors would be accepted if they admitted to being diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder in the US?


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16 Apr 2009, 1:55 pm

Ugh... I hate kids and never want 'em! I don't care about the gene pool, nobody's putting a baby in my tummy!



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16 Apr 2009, 2:01 pm

Why is everybody assuming that Aspies can only have Aspie children?
Neither of my parents has any form of ASD, and neither does my 17yo daughter. On the other hand, there are two other Aspies in my immediate family tree besides myself, one diagnosed, one undiagnosable because she's now deceased. Its just a twist in a chromosome somewhere, that pops up at random. How you gonna pick out the one swimmer in a billion carrying that particular glitch? Are we next going to debate whether people with dyslexia should be allowed to breed? All we have to do is follow the worms...

Waiting to cut out the dead wood
Waiting to clean up the city
Waiting to put on a black shirt
Waiting to weed out the weaklings
Waiting to smash in their windows and kick in their doors
Waiting for the final solution to strengthen the strain
Waiting to turn on the showers and fire the ovens...

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16 Apr 2009, 2:05 pm

complicitytheory wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
Who said in order to have children we need to raise them ourselves. If any guy genuinely believes that there should be more aspies - I put this question to you: How much sperm have you donated?


Interesting question. You think that the donors would be accepted if they admitted to being diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder in the US?


Actually, this would disqualify one from donating. Sperm donation is on a screened basis, and ASDs would be screen out! There's a network of donors, and only healthy, attractive professionals with no known history of genetic disorders can get into this network, or individuals who are referred by one of these healthy, attractive professionals.

Funny thing is, that even most apparently normal people are heterozygous carriers of several rare recessive traits that could produce diseases far more serious than mild autism if they happened to breed with another person who is also a heterozygous carrier of one of these same genes. If I were to reproduce, if given the technology, I would want to engineer these traits out. All my "donations" as of thus far have ended up "on the dusty ground".

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood!

Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
God needs everybody's.
Mine! And mine! And mine!

Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaate!


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16 Apr 2009, 2:06 pm

complicitytheory wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
Who said in order to have children we need to raise them ourselves. If any guy genuinely believes that there should be more aspies - I put this question to you: How much sperm have you donated?


Interesting question. You think that the donors would be accepted if they admitted to being diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder in the US?

They would only have a problem if they were stupid enough to tell them. Its not illegal not to tell them (imagine the trial if it was illegal :D )



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16 Apr 2009, 2:08 pm

sgrannel wrote:
complicitytheory wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
Who said in order to have children we need to raise them ourselves. If any guy genuinely believes that there should be more aspies - I put this question to you: How much sperm have you donated?


Interesting question. You think that the donors would be accepted if they admitted to being diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder in the US?


Actually, this would disqualify one from donating. Sperm donation is on a screened basis, and ASDs would be screen out! There's a network of donors, and only healthy, attractive professionals with no known history of genetic disorders can get into this network, or individuals who are referred by one of these healthy, attractive professionals.

Funny thing is, that even most apparently normal people are heterozygous carriers of several rare recessive traits that could produce diseases far more serious than mild autism if they happened to breed with another person who is also a heterozygous carrier of one of these same genes. If I were to reproduce, if given the technology, I would want to engineer these traits out. All my "donations" as of thus far have ended up "on the dusty ground".

They cannot screen someone who walks into a sperm donation clinic for an ASD easily. Just say you are a maths professor or something, they are in demand anyway it seems as donors. Nor is there any actual proof that ASD's are passed on genetically (though its obviously true)



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16 Apr 2009, 2:15 pm

We need to think about procreation in terms of having a child, not having an aspie or an NT. :?



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16 Apr 2009, 2:18 pm

IdahoRose wrote:
Ugh... I hate kids and never want 'em! I don't care about the gene pool, nobody's putting a baby in my tummy!

Ditto.

I never want kids, but if an aspie really wants them and is able to take care of them, there isn't any reason they shouldn't.



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16 Apr 2009, 2:22 pm

MizLiz wrote:
We need to think about procreation in terms of having a child, not having an aspie or an NT. :?

Not at all - imagine if we were all to go out and deliberately donate to sperm banks. The political consequences would be very beneficial for us all.

As when we choose not to play cuckoo, we have to think of the difference between raising an Aspie and an NT. I reckon personally I would would find the former easier to do to be honest.



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16 Apr 2009, 2:23 pm

sgrannel wrote:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood!

Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
God needs everybody's.
Mine! And mine! And mine!

Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaate!


.........so every time someone uses a condom God gets irated 1 million times? :)



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16 Apr 2009, 2:23 pm

Huskywolf wrote:
IdahoRose wrote:
Ugh... I hate kids and never want 'em! I don't care about the gene pool, nobody's putting a baby in my tummy!

Ditto.

I never want kids, but if an aspie really wants them and is able to take care of them, there isn't any reason they shouldn't.

On the other hand, for those who cannot realistically have kids directly themselves, sperm donation at least provides the option to extend genetic lineage.