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28 Apr 2009, 3:45 pm

Punish myself? - No.

Instead, I tend to immerse myself in my special interest until I feel better. By that time, I will have had a chance to think about the situation & start to form a plan for changing my life. At times, these "life changes" have included systematically improving my personal performance where I previously failed - & at other times, they have involved leaving the "old" behind and starting something new (a new project, a new career, etc.)

One reason I have this attitude, is a book I read when I was in college - "The Inner Game of Tennis" by Timothy Gallwey. (It was hugely popular in the mid-late '70s) It was required reading for my music education advanced conducting course.

Basically the book explores the way we cause ourselves to fail (or fail to rise to our potential) by the way we punish ourselves in our head. It describes specific techniques for "getting out of your head."

By now, the author has a very large "Inner Game" empire - with books specifically directed at music, work, stress, etc.


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28 Apr 2009, 4:04 pm

I used to punish myself with much self-doubt and depression. I rarely do that now. When I make a mistake in a social situation, there's a certain level of discomfort, and this will tempt me to hit myself for distraction or say certain phrases to myself repetitively.



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28 Apr 2009, 4:12 pm

My reactions differ quite a bit, depending on the situation. If I realize, in retrospect, that I said/did something rude or "off" to a complete stranger, I may take note of the mistake, but then figure, I´ll probably never see this person again, so I don´t bother about it too much (does that sound awful?) If I make a faux pas in some kind of important situation, like anything job-related (or an interview), I´ll stress about it and be very worried, often wishing I could take it back and redo it. If I offend a man in some kind of "romantic" situation, generally, I´ll be pretty clueless about it because I´ll have NO idea what I actually did wrong: so rather than punish myself, I´ll analyze, over and over again, what might have been the problem, guessing...possibly even blaming him for just being weird....

I´ve learned too that punishing myself doesn´t really work, because I´m often an incorrect judge of these things. I got a new job last year after thinking I TOTALLY blew the interview, and not expecting to ever hear from them again....and, in times when I´ve sometimes truly offended someone and did the most damage, so to speak, I was often totally oblivious to it!


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28 Apr 2009, 4:41 pm

I analyze obsessively each word I said, like millie. What a horrendous way to live. And as Morgana says, we're the worst judges of these things, so it's useless.

I was finally laid off today, after giving all my life to this job for 2 years and being watchful every single instant. I failed miserably anyway. I don't know what to do now, how to go on. Obviously, I'll continue being fired from each job forever. So do I laugh about it? Or do I sit home and mull over it for months trying to see what I'm blind to, the reasons why I'm always fired? I've done this for years, and all my insights resulted in more firings anyway. Do I give up and go live on the streets? Do I continue starting new jobs, knowing I'll be fired soon? Do I give myself a couple months to waste myself and think of nothing, then start looking for a new job? Do I start looking for a new job right away, force myself to be useful, productive and forget my horrible feeling?


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28 Apr 2009, 4:47 pm

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I worry a great deal and find it very hard.
I work on my own and i really do not have much contact with people although occasionally i have to go out into the world and all my exchanges with people are analysed after the event. I mull over what i said and how i said it, and this kind of processing is how i function most of the time post contact with other people.

i never have free and breezy exchanges with others, where i come home and think "wasn't that a lovely time with other people?" it is all hard work for me.
i usually grin and bear most activities with others, then i come home exhausted from the mental gymnastics that were required to keep abreast of all the subtleties of words, actions, deeds and facial expressions etc. Then i analyse what i have said or done in this context with others.

even this morning at 5 am i woke and was considering how i behaved with a painting student of mine who i helped the other day. Was I rude? Was it wrong to retreat and go and put my ipod on? I couldn;t stand the talking any longer. She knows i have an ASD and was ok, but i still worry. Was i too blunt when i told her a certain section of one work was crappy? Was the way I said "x" ok? What about the way I said "y?"

very tiring.

On and on it goes......

better to hang on my own.


I do this constantly.

I am only happy when Im not around people and have not been for a while and as soon as I see people Im back to ruminating again.

and the worst bit is that it doesnt matter how hard I try I still suck and ruin everything.

its very hard not to give up on life.

even socializing on the internet is too hard.



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28 Apr 2009, 5:37 pm

When I make a social mistake, my first reaction is usually to call myself a bunch of disparaging words, which is generally followed by a second reaction of pacing back and forth. In the old days I would mix a few choice whacks to the side of the head with the pacing. And my third reaction to a social faux pas is basically just a repeat of the first and second reaction until I grow tired of acting like my own worst enemy.


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28 Apr 2009, 5:38 pm

When I mess up, I just figure it's a normal day. Not like it's a new experience.

I don't spend much time worrying about what I said, since I'm certain that if somebody else said exactly the same thing, it would be received much differently.

I've noticed that some jobs put a lot more emphasis on political skills than others. I've also noticed that this doesn't always appear where you'd initially expect it, and that different workplaces have different cultures and that some are aren't nearly as bad as others.

I've had a few employers who didn't mind my eccentricities and appreciated the way I did my job.

Not often and not usually, but it has happened.


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28 Apr 2009, 5:40 pm

millie wrote:
I worry a great deal, and I find it very hard.


What do you worry about, if I may ask?



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28 Apr 2009, 6:47 pm

off topic:

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I've noticed that some jobs put a lot more emphasis on political skills than others. I've also noticed that this doesn't always appear where you'd initially expect it, and that different workplaces have different cultures and that some are aren't nearly as bad as others.


This is sooooo true!! ! The part in (my) bold, particularly. I wasn't fired from places where politics / public relations weren't a central value. The problem is how on earth do you know beforehand????! !! ! There's no way of predicting from the field of work, not even from the position or the appearance of the interviewers.


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28 Apr 2009, 9:02 pm

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millie wrote:
I worry a great deal, and I find it very hard.


What do you worry about, if I may ask?


I worry about whether or not my social exchanges and communications accord with a mysterious and largely intuitive type of communication and relating that has escaped me since birth.

My worry concerning the above, is a very common aspect of life for some who live with an ASD.
It is ingrained in me. I have never lived without this type of post contact analysis. The antidote for it is solitude.



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28 Apr 2009, 9:08 pm

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I analyze obsessively each word I said, like millie. What a horrendous way to live. And as Morgana says, we're the worst judges of these things, so it's useless.

I was finally laid off today, after giving all my life to this job for 2 years and being watchful every single instant. I failed miserably anyway. I don't know what to do now, how to go on. Obviously, I'll continue being fired from each job forever. So do I laugh about it? Or do I sit home and mull over it for months trying to see what I'm blind to, the reasons why I'm always fired? I've done this for years, and all my insights resulted in more firings anyway. Do I give up and go live on the streets? Do I continue starting new jobs, knowing I'll be fired soon? Do I give myself a couple months to waste myself and think of nothing, then start looking for a new job? Do I start looking for a new job right away, force myself to be useful, productive and forget my horrible feeling?



good luck Greentea.
I wish i could give you a million so you could travel the world and explore other cultures and archeolgocial sites forever more, (with a laptop so you could keep posting on WP, of course.)
If I had lots of money i would like to help a lot of people with ASD's who struggle so much with life - trying to just keep abreast of the normal things others do with comparative ease. (job, people etc....)



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28 Apr 2009, 10:29 pm

I used to actually physically beat myself up and design penalties for my misdeeds. That stopped about 14 years ago.

I think sometimes I can put myself through hell for smoking or indulging in too much snack food. I've been better about that lately, because I saw a film that showed how negative thinking towards yourself can actually damage your cells.


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28 Apr 2009, 10:57 pm

Yes, I punish myself because I destroyed the economy, the world, and my family. I live with overwhelming guilt everyday. I self injure as punishment. I wish I don't have such an influence in world events. There was a recent episode of Fringe that based their story on my thoughts, well all that I remembered of it anyways....I missed half the episode due to dissociating from the severe stress of them reading my mind. Yay for me. A walking DSM IV. It hit too close to home for me, the episode was about dreams controlling people's actions....that's exactly me! I mean how did they know????



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28 Apr 2009, 11:37 pm

yes..hitting my self against wall


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28 Apr 2009, 11:41 pm

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I think subconsciously I try to sabotage myself a great deal of the time. If I'm not doing that, I ruin things by not making an effort to succeed. I generally refuse to let myself be happy.

Probably a self-esteem thing at the core...


I do the same thing. Sometimes I don't even know I'm doing it. I tell myself I can't succeed when really, I think I don't deserve to. There's been so many failures in my life that I'm actually kind of scared to succeed. If I succeed, I'll tell myself I have to do it all the time and when I don't, failure will seem worse than before.
I used to self-injure but I made myself stop. Honestly though, even though I can't get rid of the physical scars, the problems associated with me sabotaging myself are far worse.


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29 Apr 2009, 9:01 am

millie, thank you for your support. All my post-analysis and brilliant insights never changed anything for the better in my life. I suppose I'm weirder to people than all my insight will ever teach me to avoid being.


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