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21 May 2009, 12:03 pm

I get that a lot.

As a little child I would often be asked (the Norwegian equivalent of) "Have you fell into a reverie?" - an expression that was so weird I always had to laugh, since I understood it literally and pictured it in my mind. In my tweens and teens I would often be asked if I was sad/sick/angry/in pain et c since no one could understand that I simply needed to be by myself and think about things. I have often been told that it isn't healthy to dwell on things or that I over think things. People just don't get the way my mind works.

I also have that source problem, Brusilov. I have few sources as lots of things are common knowledge to me.



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21 May 2009, 4:07 pm

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The demand for proofs and sources in school is based on the notion that students aren't expected to know anything that they haven't been taught. Teachers just take it for granted that their students don't read anything that they don't have to, so if it wasn't in a textbook, you're not supposed to know it on your own. If you leaerned to read early and have always read in a lot of subject areas, you're going to have knowledge that goes back to your early childhood and you won't even remember what book it came from. Most teachers don't read any more than their students do. They know what they have to teach, so anything outside that boundary throws them for a loop.


Agree, and would like to add that self-study in general is an alien concept to a lot of people, to whom it's not possible to have learned a particular skill or accumulated a particular amount of information on your own, only if you have been 'taught' it by a third party.



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21 May 2009, 5:10 pm

I got caught in the proof thing many times. I found that things I consider common knowledge rarely are, and this goes way beyond school. I have had an analyst position where my knowledge was way beyond the people supervising me. It was a very stressful situation for me, because the gap between common knowledge I had and their ideas of proof was gaping. I think part of the problems sometimes is I just know to much, I am an information sponge, and I forget that this is rare.



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21 May 2009, 10:03 pm

Yeah, I agree that alot of teachers just assume now that students won't engage in any self-study or they won't be familiar with any material not included or too advanced for the curriculum. In earlier days of education much more emphasis was placed on rote memorization, learning facts, and accumulating large amounts of knowledge. Now, the core of the curriculum seems to be based around how good you are at going through the motions and routine of school. It doesn't seem to matter how much information you actually know as long as you prove you are good at turning in homework, working in a group, taking notes, and getting along with the teacher, etc. Studies show now that kids forget all information they learned after taking a test; they memorize the information only on a short-term basis just to complete the lesson. Really, kids are just learning because it is required and not because they actually like it. And all they are learning is how to go through the motions so that they can function in an adult job. Teachers couldn't believe that a kid was actually learning on his own instead of spending his time "socializing."

Intelligence and knowledge was secondary in my High School to being "good" at school and being highly functional within the system. For example, my grades were hurt because it was harder for me to find a study partner or a partner for groupwork. Popular kids had an easier time "pairing up" and could reciprocate with eachother to assist in lessons. It was hard for me to do things like ask the teacher for assistance or get along with teachers and classmates. The kids who could function better in the classroom environment had an edge. Even though I had more book-learning, they were better at "playing the system."

In my advanced classes, they were even taking emphasis away from things like the arts and instead focusing on things like leadership skills to help develop business leaders. They scaled back language and history and instead foucsed on accelerating the rate at which they introduced more advanced sciences and maths. Much emphasis was focused on teamwork and mentoring younger students(which was awful and miserable for me.) They wanted to redirect us in the business/industrial path, but to do so they had to eliminate the liberal arts.



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10 Feb 2010, 10:35 pm

I have ADD official, my gift is not math, it's Quantum Physics, but not really important. What your looking for is a response. This is my responces, 1. Over-thinking infers irrational thought, mine are fact based rational thoughts. 2. My Psyc told me I wasn't over-thinking, everything is reletive, you think you might be under-thinking? 3. We all have different neurological distributions, of peptides (slow), amino acid (fast), and amines (fast) neurotransmitters, not to mention the differnence in structures. What do you think might happen if your focus was used an amino acid transmitter, etc.? 4. When they were passing out brains, I pick the bigest and best they had, It just didn't fit our one size fits all society.



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10 Feb 2010, 10:57 pm

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My teachers would always get upset with me because I wouldn't "show enough work" for schoolwork or cite enough sources for essays. I understand the need to reference material and give credit but my problem is that my knowledge of some topics is so advanced that I feel that some information is common knowledge and does not need referencing. On math problems for example, I felt no need to show every single little step and waste time. I am good about sourcing information but it is ridiculous to have to cite every single sentence.

When I would write a paper for History, my teachers would get mad at me for not "citing" where I found such basic information like "Louis XIV became king of France in 1643." The problem is that I already knew that Louie became king in 1643 and I didn't need to look it up anywhere. I guess if your brain is ahead of the pack than you have to slow down for others to catch up and slow down to explain things to them that you take for granted. As far as your special interest goes, when you describe it to others you have to imagine that your audience is a bunch of 4 year-olds who know nothing and you have to explain concepts to them that you have understood for years just so that they can comprehend you. I hate having to "dumb down" but that is just a microcosm of our larger society that directs all cultural production to the lowest-common-denominator.

I guess my sense of things is that I have a large database for detail and I have a hard time seeing the bigger-picture(which I guess is common on here.) I feel like I know alot of facts but I have a tough time transferring information and applying knowledge to everyday situations. I might memorize a list of steps but be unable to execute them.


Ooh Ooh Ooh. How very very. I hated having to show work - it is only to help the teacher figure why you might be wrong, and guard against copying, not to help you. And if your answer is right but NOT the one in the back of the textbook, showing work will not help you.

Citations - in my field I got so fed up with people who quoted other people more than they presented their own data or justified conclusions.

There are things I WILL step through , and I do it to try to explain WHY people are wrong. But it never gets me anywhere.



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10 Feb 2010, 11:03 pm

A good response..."Well at least I AM thinking about it".

If thinking about the details of something allows you to understand it, then do it. I'm quite often told that I over think things but I know that my brain is thinking no more or no less than it needs to to comprehend the task, question or situation that I'm dealing with.

As long as you don't dwell on the bad things (like bad social interractions, for example) it shouldn't be an issue.


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11 Feb 2010, 1:04 am

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Gah, I'm know others here will relate... but I'm having a hard time of explaining this to people. No one understands just how different my mind works from others... no one knows the hidden challenges I face everyday...


No one understands and in general no one cares :!:


I use the analogy of language.

If it was necessary for me to explain myself to a genius who did NOT speak my first language, I would probably NOT try to use my first language to communicate with him or her (IF my objective was for the other person to understand my message)

I would probably try to use pictures (but there are important symbolic cultural differences, so that might not work)

If that didn't work, I might try to use a translator or even....................learn HIS or HER language.


People with AS have a different data input AND processing method (another analogy)

You can't use microsoft applications on an Apple computer UNLESS you install what used to be called 'Office Mac' (which is the translator program; I'm not really 'into' computers so this may have changed now)

You can't open a pdf file in 'Word'

I sometimes try to open non-Word documents from inside 'Word', instead of from 'My Documents' and it often takes me a few moments to realise that I don't have a hard disc 'fatal error' and that the document that I want is STILL (to my relief, just before I melt down and once again start cursing the day Gates was born) on the hard drive. :lol:


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11 Feb 2010, 8:23 am

I get told by people that I think too much, or that I over think things. I have to do a lot of thinking to get myself through life. If I didn't think, I'd be making a lot of stupid mistakes. It's better to over think, than it is, not to think, at all.


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11 Feb 2010, 8:39 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I get told by people that I think too much, or that I over think things. I have to do a lot of thinking to get myself through life. If I didn't think, I'd be making a lot of stupid mistakes. It's better to over think, than it is, not to think, at all.


If you read books like 'Think and Grow Rich' by Napoleon Hill and my personal favorite 'The Science of Succcess' by Wallace Wattles, you will see that they agree that the HARDEST WORK YOU WILL EVER DO IS THINKING and that THERE IS NO WORK THAT PEOPLE SHY FROM AS MUCH AS CONSTRUCTIVE THINKING

You carry on thinking Mike :thumright:


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11 Feb 2010, 11:18 am

Skilpadde wrote:
As a little child I would often be asked (the Norwegian equivalent of) "Have you fell into a reverie?" - an expression that was so weird I always had to laugh, since I understood it literally and pictured it in my mind.


Just out of curiosity, what was the Norwegian expression? :)



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11 Feb 2010, 1:15 pm

I've been told to move on but it's hard when you have obsessive thinking. Only way I let it out is talking about it. I save that for IMs or talk about it to my husband. A few times I would dump this stuff on the forums like I did about my ex and about my diagnoses and about my issue I had here, I dumped that elsewhere.



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11 Feb 2010, 2:12 pm

I am frequently told I am over thinking things as well. It can be very annoying because as often as people complain that I over think, they praise me for being so "smart" and amazingly observant. The most frustrating thing about it is that they can not see that my my overthinking and my "smartness" are one and the same.

I usually just sarcastically agree and leave but when I am particularly annoyed I explain that I am not overthinking anything and that my mind must stay more active than theirs or I will go mad with boredom. I then talk about animals and subtly, or not so subtly compare the mind of the offending party to that of a content cow chewing cud.


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11 Feb 2010, 5:48 pm

over- thinking or not thinking at all.......

hear those a lot.


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11 Feb 2010, 5:54 pm

mikemmlj wrote:
As an NLD'er (non-verbal learning disorder)'er I envy your math skills. It seems that you Aspie folks have great math skills but less verbal/communication skills, while we NLDer's have little math/logic skills but are able to communicate better. Which is more difficult in our society?


I am not sure about the distinctions you make here. I am dx'ed formally with AS and I am hyper-verbal AND have NO math skills whatsoever. I can also revert to being semi- mute and mute at times, which happened last year for a while and has happened at other times in my life.
Not ALL AS people are maths whizzes.



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11 Feb 2010, 7:09 pm

Yeah I'm bad at maths and I also have bad verbal/communicational skills.


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