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27 May 2009, 9:48 am

Why would you want to join Mensa?



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27 May 2009, 9:56 am

I think it's hilarious whenever someone brings up IQ somebody always chimes in with some outrageously high score.

"btw my IQ averages out around 190." lol they say non chalantly.

And it's, like, inevitable, people roll their eyes and think "yah whatever". It just seem so unbelievable.

Someone always does it. It's like chaos prediction theory. It's a given.



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27 May 2009, 10:24 am

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That is a very interesting, and somewhat scary video. Just because most people are stupid, doesn't mean that they shouldn't have children! I agree that democracy doesn't work, because the majority are stupid, but what does he propose instead? Just because someone is intelligent, doesn't mean that they're morally suitable to be in charge.

The problem isn't stupid humans, or clever humans... the problem is humans.


After reading a little bit more (today s my day off 8) ) turns out that this guy happens to be in the 0.2%

I do agree with what he says (although it's a very un-humanitarian way to see the world) even more after watching that movie named "IDIOCRACY" believe me, the more educated or intelligent the people is the more careful they are about reproduction. This is why if the birth control is used to limit stupid people it would be a good idea... negative point? Intelligence is given by the genetic lottery wich means that there are as much chances as genetic combinations there are in the world to be intelligent, almost imposible to predict... there are normal parents breeding brilliant kids and brilliant parents breeding stupid or average kids.
:wink: maybe this can be reality when we all have the chance to choose our kid's genes.:alien:


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27 May 2009, 11:12 am

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I got my IQ tested recently and it came out at 143 and the letter said that came within the top 3% which isn't mensa standard. Even though my IQ is high I have very little self help skills and have no chance of even working in mcdonalds at the moment. I think I would do great in a job that only uses my mind though.


I got my IQ personally tested with WAIS for getting the ADHD diagnose.
By then my IQ measurement was done under a lot of unproper personal circumstances and I scored to be in the %6, now I'm taking ritalin and also more psycologically stable.

There are IQ tests on internet with acerted results (I did them to see how much credibility I should rely on them) and some where as close as the exact same points I recieved in my neurological test.

I've done them again and it turns out to be that by now I might be in the %5 or 4% too. Yet, I have manage -not without problems- to get a job and mantain it (my smile and good will seems more helpful than my intelligence for this), and even though I wanna study and learn alone with my free time (wich is plenty) I never get to understand the basics of anything.

I also want like you to do agreat job where I can only use my mind, but the only job I've found that fits me is the 4 days a week "free-lancer philosophist" :lmao:

Maybe we can create a club or something! :queen: but I want to be the leader :P


Aaaaand about what I said in my first post that people tend to judge your intelligence based on how much they like you, I found the perfect example! 8) Shakira. It's been told that her IQ it's been registered (?!) as 140, there is NOT A SINGLE proof of that, but her fans are just saying things like "I didn't knew it but for sure! she seems so smart!" or things like that... believe me you can have more audacy in a G.W. Bush sentence than in a single question made by her.

Since I'm from Colombia as she, we always get to hear this adulative stories about when she was talking with the most brilliant minds of our times (as if we should think that because she is talking to them she shares the same level) and she's always the one making the stupid questions, and yet people thinks she's just being smart letting the others show their intelligence :lol: XD Ok she's not that stupid... no one can be that stupid without havin mental retardation... but let's face it, she's not 140.

Did I mentioned is my day off?! 8)


I close with another video now that I came up with Bush, one of my favorite robot chiken clips. Enjoy!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCSOOfWioJ0[/youtube]


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27 May 2009, 12:14 pm

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I took an IQ test and the results were negative. I really wish I can have a high IQ. I actually have no brain. A brain?? What the heck is that??? I hate having Anencephaly. That is the medical term for no brain. I just have a less severe form of it. Usually most of your skull is also missing, I don't have that part of it. Its also surprisingly more common than you think. I know, on websites it states that it happens in every 1 in 1,000- 10,000 cases. But in the Human world, its more like 1 in 1.1. I have seen first hand evidence of this. Look at the average human driving skill! Humans can't think. By the way, I am an idiot savant. I can't do simple things outside of art and psychology. I wish I can join Mensa!! But they don't let people with no brains enter.


FireBird, one thing an idiot savant learns in the law schools for idiot savants is it is often necessary to write to your audience, and therefore not always necessary to define so many interesting terms along with the statistical averages. Ahh, but what do I know about the law schools for the Anencephalys people with no brains. Also, not to make too big a deal, but don't you think it begs the question to enter Mensa without a brain ? Maybe you should, as I should, take a Ravens Progressive Matrices, a test that measures the inherent intelligence of idiot savants and those with no brains -- to pose for Mensa the ultimate intellectual dilemma of disparate treatment in the entry phase, predicated on the core qualification criteria of the measurement of intelligence. :) I can't do things outside of art and psychology, either ...



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27 May 2009, 2:23 pm

Generally speaking most of my friends are book smart and are easier for me to talk too because book smart people generally depend more on verbal communication. They may intuitively understand body language, but prefer the spoken word.

I would like to go into IQ. My brother is 155 on a 200 scale, but he also has an extreme form of bipolar (which works on a spectrum as well). He has alot of trouble living life, and being in a classroom setting is very hard for him. He processes complex math easily and is extremely intelligent. He is also very charismatic and funny, and has a natural ability to communicate in all forms on a high level. His problem, he is almost on hyperdrive emotionally, and has major sensory issues which are a little different than mine. From what I understand he had a head inury when he was younger. In alot of ways he can achieved alot, but lacks focus. His intelect is purely intuitive. He works in construction, keeping physically busy keeps him sane.

My brother is smarter IQ and even more socially adept at me, but I had more focus, and more of a willingness to push myself to learn. While I have sensory issues they are not as extreme. My IQ is between 139 and 143, which is consistant with my education. I work as a professional "expert", basically I am paid to be book smart, as a researcher, analyst or archivist.

I point to this for a reason...IQ is overrated. My brother never had the same language ability as me, he swears like a sailor, I on the other hand have a very formalized dialect and never swear, people often think I am british without the accent.

We are both above average iq, but he is held back by being bipolar, I on the other hand am on the spectrum, this has been both a help and a hinderence. IQ only measures a specific range of processes. I was tagged as musically gifted at four or five, but that is not something IQ can test for, that was something they figured out earlier through observation. As my psych friend stated, IQ is a picture of particular traits at a particular time under particular circumstances that is best used for diagnostic purposes (basically to identify potential LDs and MR). One should not put much weight in beyond the diagnostic goals, because a persons success in life is not determined by such a limited range of attributes.



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27 May 2009, 2:31 pm

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Generally speaking most of my friends are book smart and are easier for me to talk too because book smart people generally depend more on verbal communication. They may intuitively understand body language, but prefer the spoken word.

I would like to go into IQ. My brother is 155 on a 200 scale, but he also has an extreme form of bipolar (which works on a spectrum as well). He has alot of trouble living life, and being in a classroom setting is very hard for him. He processes complex math easily and is extremely intelligent. He is also very charismatic and funny, and has a natural ability to communicate in all forms on a high level. His problem, he is almost on hyperdrive emotionally, and has major sensory issues which are a little different than mine. From what I understand he had a head inury when he was younger. In alot of ways he can achieved alot, but lacks focus. His intelect is purely intuitive. He works in construction, keeping physically busy keeps him sane.

My brother is smarter IQ and even more socially adept at me, but I had more focus, and more of a willingness to push myself to learn. While I have sensory issues they are not as extreme. My IQ is between 139 and 143, which is consistant with my education. I work as a professional "expert", basically I am paid to be book smart, as a researcher, analyst or archivist.

I point to this for a reason...IQ is overrated. My brother never had the same language ability as me, he swears like a sailor, I on the other hand have a very formalized dialect and never swear, people often think I am british without the accent.

We are both above average iq, but he is held back by being bipolar, I on the other hand am on the spectrum, this has been both a help and a hinderence. IQ only measures a specific range of processes. I was tagged as musically gifted at four or five, but that is not something IQ can test for, that was something they figured out earlier through observation. As my psych friend stated, IQ is a picture of particular traits at a particular time under particular circumstances that is best used for diagnostic purposes (basically to identify potential LDs and MR). One should not put much weight in beyond the diagnostic goals, because a persons success in life is not determined by such a limited range of attributes.


starrygrrl, that was quite a discourse on stardardized IQ measures. But a major relatively issue in autism, is that the stanardized measures are not capable of accurately assessing IQ in autism spectrum conditions, and for this reason Ravens Progressive Matrices must be employed to get an accurate measure. As I recall reading, the disparity can be over 80 points between the different types of measures ! So it is no small issue for autism.

Also, on a different note, I have been speculating whether sailors swear more, or if that claim rests with girls who hang around horse stables far too long.



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27 May 2009, 3:22 pm

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Yeah, I feel that way alot too. I usually keep to myself, bit it is ridiculous to see these super-high numbers, all the time. It is estimated that Einstein had an IQ around 160-165, yet I constantly see numbers posted that are way over that. I've even seen numbers over 180, in which there have been only around 30 people ever measured with IQ's higher than that. :roll:

Yes, I know there are some smart people here. But I would bet that there are no more than 2, in our 26,000+ members that truly would measure over 165, maybe none. It is very rare.


So one day some one says that einsten's IQ was not above the average (this 160-165 Einstein's IQ is very average in the 1-300 scale), and then some one that doesn't takes the effort to understand what it's been talked about just spreads it like Einstein is a genious (this 160-165 IQ is very very high in the 1-200).

In the case of MY WAIS test (Standard deviation of 10)

< or = 69 is mental retardation
70-79 inferior
80-89 average/low
90-109 average/medium
110-119 average/high
120-129 superior
> or = 130 very superior.

Only 2% of the population of the world can score 130 or above it, so in the USA only, it means 6'120.000 persons. There are 6'120.000 chances for you to be in that so called "golden ring", or 2 out 100 persons to know some one that is in it. But scores of this 2% are comprenhended until 145, above that becomes as improbable as %0.2 - %0.1.

2 of my friends are from that 2% and believe me, they are rather desapointing for IQ applauders... one quited the dream job earning millions a year to start studying filosophy in a not wel know university, living in a students dorm just to have the less responsibilities as posible, now he's a teacher (a very well paid one of course) at a random private school. The second was a woman, never graduated, never had a dream job (was a cartoonist) that couldn't deal with the expectations that where put on her and finally became a drug abuser, she screw it up with everyone before she disapeared in the addiction abandoning her daugter.

Even I am dissapointing for IQ applauders, I'm in the golden 6% and yet I'm unable to use a calculator, read maps, ride bikes, study, remmember my house numbers in the good order or my postal code, deal with people... and much more, ALMOST ANYTHING! :cry: ( :wink: I'm still a lovely person :P ) btw no universitary studies and working at a cheap clothes store.

If you really have it, good luck and know that more defining than IQ is how do you plan to live your life.


I'm glad you took the time to explain my point more thoroughly. 8) That was exactly what I meant by my post. And I agree that I shouldn't have used Einstein as an example of high IQ, but it was after 4 AM and I didn't really feel like looking up any info.

I am another of those who have failed to live up to their potential, like your two friends. Although I'm a true 134(+ or - 3), and was evaluated and tested every 2 years throughout school, in order to remain in a "gifted" program, I skipped college altogether and did nothing worthwhile with my life. I blame anxiety and alcohol/drug addiction, but in reality, it's just an excuse. I suppose laziness and lack of motivation were the main reason for not pursuing anything greater. It was much easier to take an average job and excel without effort, rather than to push myself and take advantage of my "gift". Shameful. :(

So yes, being in the upper percentages can be an advantage if used properly, but means nothing if not utilized. And maybe it's not too late for me to consider another career, but I do regret losing 15 years due to "convenience".

And because I know how rare it is, that why I am bothered to see people throw around those exaggerated numbers like they're a video game score. If you are one of those in the top percentages you are well aware of it, just by life experience alone. There is no guessing.


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27 May 2009, 9:00 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I think it's hilarious whenever someone brings up IQ somebody always chimes in with some outrageously high score.

"btw my IQ averages out around 190." lol they say non chalantly.

And it's, like, inevitable, people roll their eyes and think "yah whatever". It just seem so unbelievable.

Someone always does it. It's like chaos prediction theory. It's a given.


lmao. It seems to me like there's no good reason to ever mention your IQ. It's not like anyone is ever going to be impressed. XD;; High or low: they'll either be jealous/contemptuous, think you're stupid, or just think you're showing off. Even if it's like really low, you look like a show-off. XD Don't know how that even works.


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27 May 2009, 9:11 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I think it's hilarious whenever someone brings up IQ somebody always chimes in with some outrageously high score.

"btw my IQ averages out around 190." lol they say non chalantly.

And it's, like, inevitable, people roll their eyes and think "yah whatever". It just seem so unbelievable.

Someone always does it. It's like chaos prediction theory. It's a given.


lmao. It seems to me like there's no good reason to ever mention your IQ. It's not like anyone is ever going to be impressed. XD;; High or low: they'll either be jealous/contemptuous, think you're stupid, or just think you're showing off. Even if it's like really low, you look like a show-off. XD Don't know how that even works.

The thing that's really funny and gets me is, if someone types "my IQ is 190" or says it or whatever, people who read it or hear it are going to require some kind of proof, unless they don't take it seriously in the first place. The burden of proof will be on the one who claims to have the extraordinarily high IQ so they better be ready to show it off.
If they can't think of anything they say "I score that high on tests but I don't think my IQ is really that high" which means all this IQ bs is bogus anyway so what's the point?



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27 May 2009, 9:48 pm

I don't remember ever taking an official IQ test, although I have a memory of my mother telling me it was about 120. I'm not sure where that comes from, but it's consistent with the fact that I'm generally a good test-taker.

I took an online IQ test, but I know those are not very accurate, and they tend to give unusually high scores. In that one, I got well-above average scores on every aspect EXCEPT speed, which was below average. So my general score was nothing to sneeze at, but not all that impressive either. It seemed accurate in that, in every area of life, it's my slowness that causes problems. That's why I did awful in math; I wasn't bad at it, I just couldn't get through all the test questions fast enough to get credit for them. I'm also slow at everything else.

My 11 year old AS son's official IQ is 132...and yet he gets bad grades because he doesn't have the executive functioning skills to handle something like a Science Fair project. He's officially both gifted and disabled at the same time, which, as many of you know, can be especially hard, and frustrating for everyone.



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17 Jul 2009, 1:31 am

Hi,
I've recently learned of Aspergers and find it pretty interesting as I can identify with some of the characteristics. Some of my personal qualities that I find mildly frustrating are my proclivity for direct honesty (and my naive assumption that this is automatically reciprocated by society), trouble understanding others motives which makes dating pretty interesting, my over-excitable nature, and my dislike of noisy, crowded places; I get overloaded by everything going on at once. I also dislike watching TV for this reason.

I'm pretty sure my IQ is on the high side. I've been tested a lot from Kindergarten through High School. What's interesting is I was held back a year in Kindergarten due to my inability to sit still and my apparent unwillingness to follow directions. I also had trouble reading and writing for a spell. (I'm punny) After recently finding a treasure trove of old report cards during a family visit - it seems my teachers began to realize I just didn't have the ability to remain still and I wasn't trying to be disruptive. I was very sensitive to their criticism (is this contrary to Autism Spectrum characteristics?) and meant well. I was also really social and was interested in what everyone else was doing too. After being tested, I was placed in a Gifted and Talented program and I still jumped all over the place, but the teachers were more lenient. I remained in G/T programs until I finished high school. Test results from the CoGAT, NNAT, and Stanford-Binet all place me in the 99th percentile with some of my skill-specific scoring histograms extending beyond the scope of the national scoring reference population. My school grades were all over the place and directly correlated to the amount of effort a teacher put into me. I can't find any raw "IQ" scores, but after perusing some old state G/T classification materials that appeared to be less PC about their reliance on IQ testing for identifying students, I found a program participation cut-off of 145 which, to make a long story short, would imply my IQ is over 145? I feel kind of slimy just writing this - I understand the marginalizing affects of reducing an entire personality to an arbitrary number - but digressed for the sake of collective learning. I am now 26 and work as a faculty research scientist for a major university while only holding a Bachelor's degree which I am constantly reminded of by my helpful colleagues.

I don't know.. I sometimes feel extremely lonely and can get depressed. I'm kind of moody and crabby at times and I feel sort of misunderstood and stereotyped as "a weirdo" for this. My dates are usually disasters, albeit comic masterpieces for my friends, which I can appreciate. I sort of look like a dumb jock (allow me to indulge in some stereotyping hypocrisy ) and I think I attract people who expect me to ooze head-up-my-own-ass nonchalance or a "go git 'um" brand of unshakable optimism. They end up kind of disappointed when they realize I am more neurotic than a Woody Allen movie. Any thoughts? Similar experiences? Diagnoses? Thanks for letting me vent..



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17 Jul 2009, 10:49 am

In total actuality, I was once tested IQ wise and hesitant-speaking wound up with a numerical score in the realm of 82-89 whic, by all accounts indicates slow learner :oops: :oops:.Still, I've managed to do things that break the numerica score I received so long ago in mental terms therefore, I feel IQ has been over-obsessed about if not Intelligence comes in many forms whether it is one's ability to draw an image from something he/she sees or having the inate skill or recalling pieces of music by merely listening to a song or such possibly one or two times. Personally, I feel there are many forms of intellectual functioning just, that trying to go against the so-called normal lables a person as being maverick as such.Anyways, I know that, I'm not as stupid as some test score says..



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17 Jul 2009, 12:26 pm

Meh. I wouldn't trust an 82 to 89 to predict anything, any more than I'd trust a 149--not in an autistic person. If you've got a high one, you can use it to say "I have potential, therefore I am obviously facing obstacles, so give me accommodations"; if you've got a low one, you can use it to say, "I'm slow, therefore disabled, so give me accommodations." Then you forget the IQ once you've got what you need out of it, and go on with your life. If you're not good at something, you probably won't want a career in that area anyway.


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