why are they so many AS fakers?

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I was officially diagnosed by professionals who didn't seem to have the slightest doubt that I have aspergers.

As for the fakers: I have come to the conclusion that some people think asperges is a synonym for general insanity, neurosis, psychosis and for being delusional. There is nothing wrong with being insane and my sympathy goes out to the people who suffer from it but it hasn't got much to do with aspergers.

Aspergers is nothing more than a mild form of autism. A neurological condition that people are born with. It can lead to mental illnesses like depression for instance, but that usually happens at a later stage in life.

By the way, I think it is a shame that there are people on this forum who don't really have aspergers. It is important for us to communicate with others who really have it. Most of us are not surrounded by people who have the same condition and that can be a very lonely place to be sometimes.

So fakers, do us a favor and go somewhere else!

I generally don't assume certain people are "faking" so much as they're just mistaken.

The criteria for "Asperger's" is pretty vague, after all.

Not to mention, AS is often equated with "genius" or "uniqueness," which appeals to some people. Also, a lot of characteristics that some folks attribute to "autism" can be easily explained by garden-variety introversion. It's one of the reason I maintain that AS is NOT just a "personality type" or a "difference."

Most people with aspergers aren't geniuses. That is a myth!

One of the many characteristics of aspergers is a normal to high intelligence and that does not differ from the IQ scores of the general population. Some people with aspergers happen to have a high IQ but so do some people who don't have it.

To make a long story short: aspergers doesn't affect someones intelligence in a positive nor negative way.

To be even more spesific, normal intelligence is considered to be between 70 and 130 (100 pluss/minus 30), and anything below 70 is considered legally ret*d(only 2% of the worlds population as legally ret*d, and I think that puts you within another diagnosis). Thats why "normal to high intelligence" is used as a characteristic of aspergers.

Wrong!
In Europe a score of 96 to approximately a 110/115 is considered to be a normal iq score.
A European score of 130 equals an American score of 140/145.

Some aspies like to think they are geniuses because of their aspergers but that is simply not the case. There is simply no link between aspergers and intelligence. Besides, there are many forms of intelligence. I think it's important to unravel certain myths and this is another example of doing just that.

Intense focus on limited areas tends to make us seem more intelligent than we actually are overall

I think most people who are claim they have AS but don't truly do believe they have it. It might match some of their symptoms, it might give them an excuse for bad things that happened to them in the past, etc. I don't think they are lying on purpose. Of course, it might happen, but in general I would say the majority of these people just make mistakes.

Intense focus also limits our intelligence. There are things that we can do very well, maybe even better than others, and there are other things we don't do well at all.

I can't imagine why anyone would fake AS, and I know that I'm in no position to judge whether they do or not. It takes a professional who knows what they're doing some effort to figure out whether someone has AS, so why on earth would anyone presume to make that determination about someone else?

It's a spectrum disorder, meaning that it manifests with different levels of functioning in different people.

Those of us who grew up without diagnoses (in an era when there was none possible) learned to adapt to the NT world, some of us so well that we can appear not to have AS, but not without a great deal of exhaustive skill building behind us, and a lot of moment-to-moment effort that can be quite draining. That's the only faking I've ever done, acting as NT as possible.

Let me end this debate about IQ with some facts. I won't take the time to post links because they have already been posted elsewhere on WP.

* The ASD (high functioning) populations mean IQ is actually slightly lower than the mean for the general population.

* IQ tests are diagnostic tools to test for strengths and weaknesses in individuals. They are not meant to determine 'who has the biggest ****'.

* In ASD statistically significant subtest and index score scatter is common. This makes the test uninterpretable for anything other than intra-individual analysis.

* IQ tests were designed around average people. If you feel you are an average person you probably don't have AS.

* Some tests like the RPM are easier for people with ASD than tests like the WAIS while the general population tends to score roughly the same on both. This alone should tell you that IQ tests are not a good measure of intelligence for people with ASD.

* Social anxiety and distractions have a much greater impact on test performance for people with ASD than the general population. Even within the ASD population there is a lot of variation in the intensity of social and sensory problems.


In conclusion, every time I see IQ numbers being thrown around on this forum as a comparison between people I want to puke. I don't see it as 'I'm smarter than you' (although that's really what people are getting at), I see it as people saying 'I'm less f****d up than you'.

Yeah, it's pretty weird how people attribute all kinds of things to having a high IQ. One that bothers me frequently is the idea that "high IQ = better coping skills, better self-awareness, better functioning," etc. I scored pretty high on an IQ test but it doesn't reflect how well I function to any degree. As my attorney put it, "It's not doing you much good, is it?"

I'm right there with you. I can appear normal but not for very long. I've faked being NT for decades with (usually) disastrous results.

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Sorry if that bothered you – it was one of a million descriptions of aspergers on the net – it was simply meant for the one person that started this question to show to a point not in exactness that I am not normal and have not been diagnosed and am not a faker in aspergers but am in NT world. As we all know there is a standard pattern in aspies with a ton of variations. That I know of I have aspergers, dyslexia and problems recognizing faces – difficulties on top of others. I see in pictures so to describe it would take forever so I put things out in like bulk – it is a problem it is me – I understand what you are saying and you are right – I did that in a hurry and that was my fault - Pardon my insanity I have aspergers.

Exactly, but it doesn't seem to stop some people from assuming Aspies are all super-intelligent, or savants.

Thanks, Hollywood.