Do you think we should be allowed to mate?

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My religious and moral doubts are associated with the fact that having ASD leads to problems which are rather significant and rather rarely found among "NTs" (such as pain due to marked sensory processing anomalies or theory of mind deficit, prosopagnosia, meltdowns and shutdowns - for my mentality these "typically" autistic and problematic traits are definitely attractive in females (when thinking about the potential wife), my mentality wants only an Aspijka as the wife). These issues may be problematic for an autistic individuals and other persons. NT people tend to have no such difficulties in life. So life in some areas is easier to NTs because of lack of ASD symptoms.

I may be even worse than typical individual with high-functioning autism. I am not so mildly disabled, get psychotropic drug, have no clearly technical talents and had serious hypotrophy as a newborn. I read about people with ASD who were married and have offspring despite lack of PDD/ASD diagnosis.

my life is quite awful because of being autistic.yes
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suffer and be bullied and live a lonely life of introspection and rejection.yes
I wish I was never born. yes
but i dont like mate ideas

Yes, and yes, and yes. It was an extreme opinion made when the person was under stress. And it IS an eyesore on the forum page for me as well. But it is free speech.

Agreed...
This life system is very very broken for *everyone*...
Think of all the NTs which go off the rails through power/status/financial lusts...
Think of all the NTs who are derailed through substance abuse...
And think of all the atrocities caused by NT indulgences as a result of their psychological makeup...

NTs are the dominant life forms on this planet...
They have a lot to answer for...

Regarding genetic mutations:
Without it "we" would still be one celled amoeba floating aimlessly in an ocean of discontent...
Hmmm, actually, no change there in regards to the discontent...

I hope you enjoyed my very rationally autistic contribution...

I did!

Speak for yourself. If you don't want to have children, you don't have to have children! Let the rest of us decide for ourselves.

I'll add my my own thoughts on this controversial issues by stating it's neither an abomination nor something of an inhumanity for an people one or both of them with AS to have children as, I've not seen any scientific data to this date to state that there would be dire consequences to such a decision or choice by any individual whom makes that action of thought. I can understand that there might be persons whom are concerned that their offspring might genetically acquire negative qualities be it autism,aspergers,pdd-nos,etc. Yet, by all account whenever a child is born there is nothing that says 110% that said child is free of genetic variables.After all I was not born with depression & anxiety rather the potential was inherited but, this does not mean any such person ultimately winds up having either psychological phenomena. In fact, genetics are like the roll of a dice as, one does not have clairvoyance to know the exact genetic outcome of a child all the way to senior citizen..

Well, this is something has been mentioned unto me in the past and though I've been reluctant to speak of such I've presented my thoughts on this matter though, on a more personal level that I leave for another discussion at anothe time r i.e referring to whether I'd choose to have kids myself of not.

Just imagine if people who believed that we should all be sterilised gained power. Think about it.

I don't want to, and never will, willingly live in a fascist state with fascists like that control. If there was no way at all to leave it, I would kill myself.

Not that I can mate productively anymore, at my advanced age! However they still might kill me for having producing three great children and two of them on the spectrum! A crime against the state no doubt...

The 19 year old man who started this thread was in a state of despair, and didn't have the energy to think his proposition through in a complex way nor consider it as the political proposal that it is..

As was the case in America a few decades ago...

I think the world is actually becoming more "Aspie-ish" as we speak. With all the telecommunications and the tech industry thriving as it is- it seems that social skills are needed less and less and the world in the future will be kinder to us all and forgiving of our quirks.

You are upset because you have dealt with certain people who couldn't give a damn to understand you and include you in their group. But, there are plenty of people who would be willing to do that for you. I had a horrible time in high school and in college because I could never really fit in, but it was only when I left that I started actively seeking people similar to myself only to find that they were seeking people like me as well. Everyone has their group and a place where they belong on this Earth and do not let anyone tell you otherwise.

Personally, I would love to have a child or two some day when I am much older and financially stable. I think that if I could tailor their education in a way that they would feel comfortable with themselves and learn what they are supposed to that they will do well in life. I have a feeling that all Autistic schools will be opening up in the future as well to facilitate this- if they do not exist already.

And the thing is, the likelihood is that it would spread...it wouldn't just be DXd ASD people after a while if this were an acceptable thing, right? For example, since ADS is DXd so much more frequently in males than in females, what if it became commonplace for people with ASD in their family histories to abort male fetuses proactively based on those odds? And so on.

Or perhaps people with issues that are commonly comorbid with ASD would be sterilized, particularly if they had ASD in the family even if they didn't have it themselves, as these factors when combined would seem to statistically increase the possibility of the individual producing offspring who were OTS.

Meanwhile, if the rationale were to prevent attendant potential "misery" in offspring as well as decrease future cost in supports, medical care, SSI/Disability and the like, mightn't people who were DXd with physical inherited issues be required to be sterilized too? There's increasing data on the possibility of, for instance, diabetes being inherited...autoimmune issues...and so on. And there has long been known to be a familial link in issues such as heart disease.

And on it might potentially go...

These are extremes but, well, if we're talking possibilities, there you have it.

I agree that the OP was in despair. Hugs to you, OP. I get feeling really, really down and hopeless. I do. I hope that person has found peace since she originally posted in May.

With all this said, I'm not upset or on my high horse about this issue...it's just that I (as so many here) can see how such an eventuality would be a very black mark indeed on humanity's head. I am not actually afraid of this happening as I don't believe it possibly could. Just putting in my own thoughts.

Nope, just nope.

Definitely we should. I think part of there reason that many autistics today suffer is NOT because they are autistic, but because growing up they did not have truly understanding parents. Having parents and therapists who think you will someday be NORMAL, yes, I hate that word, creates unnecessary stress. Having parents who understand your need for alone time, for just a couple of friends, etc. help you to learn how you can have a good life and still take care of yourself.

PS on the other hand, maybe bullies should NOT be allowed to mate, as odds are it will be THEIR kids who are bullies and make life miserable for autistics

and yes, I agree with the narcissists issue posted above also...that is much worse...

heehee I appreciated this, made me smile and laugh today:


PS on the other hand, maybe bullies should NOT be allowed to mate, as odds are it will be THEIR kids who are bullies and make life miserable for autistics

I think obese people shouldn't be able to have kids because in most cases their 'genetics' pass down