Do you think that virginia Tech killer Cho Seu was an Aspie?

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Well it seems some reports say he was diagnosised with autism in 1992 which means technically he can not be diagnosised with SPD at the same time according to the criteria for SPD. But he certainly would score high on schizotypal features. Which I tend
to note the oddest aspies here on WP tend to also. Myself I certainly would have scored much higher in schizotypal features when younger.

That doesn't mean the dx was correct.

True but it means there is a paper trail labeling him as such so we might as well accept the negative fallout that might come our way now.

My thinking exactly.

Also, autism isn't a mental illness - our minds are wired differently, but we don't have problems with perceptions of reality. At worst, someone could call us "developmentally delayed". Autism or not, it doesn't mean he can't be mentally ill. And I think that all the TV shrinks who are analyzing the hell out of these tapes will either 1) disagree with the diagnosis of autism or 2) nod, say that it couldn't have caused a violent rampage, and move on to their theory of what mental illness he had.

The fact of the matter is, for how trendy of a dx autism is nowadays, I don't think that anyone wants to pin his actions on autism. Too many parents would freak out. Also, most people are diagnosed with schizophrenia and/or bipolar when they are his age, so to think that nothing could have changed with him since the time of his dx would be irresponsible.

Last of all, I think that the diagnosis of autism is extremely likely to be questioned on a cultural basis - this would be especially true if his diagnosis occurred in the years immediately following his immigration. Asians (and I'm not talking about 3rd generation Asian-Americans) are generally soft-spoken and don't make lots of eye contact. If he had a language deficit that could be explained by maybe a recent immigration, perhaps there will be enough basis to question the diagnosis as a cultural difference.

Edit: TM1 is saying that he read of an autism diagnosis in 1992 - that is consistent with the time of his immigration. I believe that this diagnosis is highly disputable due to the cultural differences between Asians and Americans, and the fact that you need to evaluate many culturally-based social interactions to make a diagnosis in an 8-year-old child in the first place.

I read his mother was 29 when she got married which is unusally old in South Korea. That kind of supports my theory of older people having higher rates of autisic off spring
for the simple reason autisic have kids at an older age.

I'm watching MSNBC through their website. I linked there from the article on Wikipedia. They're showing excerpts of the video. It's looking like pure animal reasoning. You take out the predator, you might save the pups. Whether the predator was real or imagined, he was clearly frightened, perhaps for all his life. All the psychologists told him was that he was dying. No matter what they actually said, he took it as a pronouncement of doom. "I can smell your blood." He started working out as an attempt to hide his weakness. "No, go away. I'm big enough to fight you." When it became clear that all those efforts to puff himself up weren't fooling anyone, it got into his head that the only thing left for him was a last stand. I can see why he lashed out, then. I mean, crap, no one wants to be easy prey. "NO! WE CAN FIGHT! WE ARE STRONG! BELIEVE!"

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WOW that surprises me. I really did not see it in his body language, voice, gaze! Maybe he practiced in front of a mirror like the taxi driver guy.

If he was diagnosed as a child it really isn't something to take lightly. I wonder if he received services throughout school, when he "lost" the label? Since the college apparently didn't know.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tquSRFKuv4Q[/youtube]

Where I lived at the time was in TN a very Southern state and with huge populations of Asians in certain areas. The Koreans move there because the land reminds them so much of the mountains of South Korea. I even knew at the time of young Asian males (middle and high school age) that had the equivalent of white girl groupies following them around. And in reference to my previous post I chose a very bad word. My white friend would have never actually killed anyone who would get in her way of getting her man. Bad choice of words. She was not that extreme. She didn't want any other females to even form a friendship with him or speak with him. That's what I meant.

No, you stupid woman. I don't care if you used to be a judge: you're an idiot, and you just made the situation worse. Spending a lot of time with such a guy is probably the only way to take yourself out of harm's way. His room mates were probably in the least danger out of anyone there! Being a lonely kid was part of the problem in the first place. You just told a lot of people, "Hey! Don't associate with this guy! He's crazy, and he'll kill ya!" WRONG! WRONG! He was killing perceived enemies. You're not going to save people by telling them to be afraid of people who fit the profile. You're just going to provoke fear-inspired hostility, and more innocent people will die.

Lucid? He sounded like a paranoid schizophrenic. I heard irrational, grandiose delusions on those videos.

He fits this description of Love Shyness perfectly.

I am also love shy, and I have also had violent tendencies and I too could have pulled off a stunt like him.

Unlike him however, I have my god Jehovah to turn to in prayer, and Holy Spirit to calm my nerves and sooth my emotional pains. Therefore, I remain a peaceful, and loving person, even if I am terribly lonely at times.

What I dislike is the way the media is sensationalizing this. Granted what happened is terrible and I feel so sad for all the families that have lost their dear loved ones. I feel bad for the US for all the young people with potential & talents that we have lost forever. But the media is wrong in calling this the WORST US massacre. They are forgetting over one hundred people killed in Oklahoma city. They are disrespecting the family members that lost loved ones there and yes at the hands of a white caucasian male.

Also what kind of disturbed person spits on little Korean kids because they are of the same race as someone who was a murderer? Perhaps the person that did that needs to be in custody. You didn't see non-whites spitting on white people after the Oklahoma bombing. If I was the parent of the little punk that spit on the Korean boy I would march my bigotted kid over to the Korean family's house and make him apologize. And I would make him apologize to the Korean community. And I would make him do community service for the Asian community of his area, do yard work for the family etc. Plus take away his allowance and car privileges for a year and anything else I could think of. I would be embarrassed if that child was mine spitting on someone else. *above rant is in response to a Korean gentlemen reporting his son was spat on at school for being Korean like Cho was*

I'm going to make it a point to be extra nice to any Asians I might run into in town. They may be already experiencing hostilities from ignorant as*holes pointing the finger at Asians. I'm really sorry for the Virginia families affected, but there's nothing I can do for them this far away except pray.

Who the hell are you talking to??

I think that I heard "worst gun massacre" - not "worst massacre".

Yeah, it's not even the worst school massacre. That one was in 1927, 45 people killed. This is the worst "school shooting" in US history.