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RedTape0651
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13 Dec 2007, 10:05 pm

alex wrote:

well I'm surprised there were any fatalities. If you're removing metals from the body, the thing I'd be worried about would be the good metals getting removed and causing some form of long term problems.

This is exactly how chelation therapy is fatal.

You are correct that chelation is a naturally occurring chemical process, and it refers to electron rich organic molecules bonding to metal ions. If it were not for chelation, then important chemical reactions such as photosynthesis could not occur.

Chelation therapy is the injection of EDTA, which is a common chemical that chelates a wide range of metal ions. It is indeed found in some packaged food and other materials in small quantities as a way of inactivating (but not removing) certain metal ions. When too much EDTA is injected, it does indeed react with some "good metals," namely calcium. The people who have died from chelation therapy have died of heart failure, caused by a loss of calcium. That calcium was lost due to its reaction with EDTA.

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13 Dec 2007, 10:15 pm

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alex wrote:

Not just EDTA is used.

Most doctors follow the law and use DMSA. Some use DMPS or ALA. There are other (less common) chemicals sometimes used.

It also doesn't have to be injected. There are also suppositories and creams (the latter of which are nothing but placebo).

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14 Dec 2007, 12:19 am

You know what's a great cure for Autism?

Scientology.

:lol:

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14 Dec 2007, 2:17 am

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You know what's a great cure for Autism?

Scientology.

:lol:

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14 Dec 2007, 3:16 am

Well, none of my kids are being vaccinated. End of.

Autism runs in my family strongly, so there's already a good chance they'll have it. So if there's something that could potentially worsen their condition - ie make them low-functioning as opposed to high-functioning - then I'm going to avoid it like the plague.

Plus I just don't believe in them, because of all the other crap in them.

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14 Dec 2007, 4:38 am

Lastcrazyhorn, the profile is rubbish. But Beau is wrong as well - he's actually in New Hampshire. But is that true about the cops, Beau? Where did you hear it?

I can also confirm that Best has basically said, if he can't cure his son, he'll put him in an instutition. And he claims to love his son? Yeah right!

And I think I read somewhere that there was something wrong with the DMSA? Or was it the DMPS?

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14 Dec 2007, 6:23 am

LeKiwi wrote:

So what will you do if your kids catch something like measles because you didn't have them immunised. It would be a good idea to talk to some mothers who are now in their 50's or older and find out what used to happen when kids got diseases such as measles, polio, whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria and the like.

Or go to an old cemetary and see how many little kids died of diseases that are now preventable through immunisation.

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14 Dec 2007, 6:54 am

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The supposed thimerosal link has been disproved, both by standardized epidemiological studies and by the experiences of the Netherlands, which removed thimerosal from all vaccines by law in 1999. Autism rates in the Netherlands have remained unchanged...

Mhh, we never used thiomersal in our childhood vaccines, I believe it was in flu-vaccines though, but those aren't really administered to children a lot.

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14 Dec 2007, 7:00 am

Pandora wrote:

LeKiwi wrote:

It has actually happened in the US that a child died from a vaccine-preventable illness because the parents refused the vaccine due to autism fears. There have also been cases in the Third World of polio because the parents refused vaccines because they thought it was some sort of Western plot. vaccines are not perfect but they're better than the alternative. Maybe these people should talk to (I have) those that remember, for example, seeing smallpox patients, and the terror of contagion; smallpox has been erradicated precisely because of vaccines. The diseases vaccines are for are rare precisely because of vaccines.

The entire autism & vaccines scare comes from a discredited and retracted paper whose first author was working for trial lawyers seeking to sue big pharma and who has commiteed breaches of ethics. Somehow we're expected to believe that, while doctors (except those that get money from trial lawyers or from anti-vaccine advocates, of course) and big pharma are inherently corrupt, trial lawyers (obviously, those that get their money form big pharma are supposed to be the scum of the earth, while those that make their money by suing big pharma must be on the side of angels), alternative medicine practitioners, etc are incorruptible.

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14 Dec 2007, 7:57 am

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busy91 wrote:

foresam has been banned, so any response to him would be futile.

I guess it's for the best, but I'm sorry I missed my chance to beat up on him! :lol:

We can still beat up on him, it's just that now he can't defend himself. :wink:

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14 Dec 2007, 11:33 am

RudolfsDad wrote:

archdude wrote:

busy91 wrote:

foresam has been banned, so any response to him would be futile.

I guess it's for the best, but I'm sorry I missed my chance to beat up on him! :lol:

We can still beat up on him, it's just that now he can't defend himself. :wink:

just remember, some people love getting beat up on, it assuages their guilt.

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14 Dec 2007, 11:40 am

Any kind of attention is better than none. I use to think he should be silenced and erased from the net, but after reading his blog today...he's his own worse enemy. And I was quite serious about someone doing him in. One day he's gonna pick on the wrong aspie...

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14 Dec 2007, 12:01 pm

I just read the blogpost. :roll:

BARF

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14 Dec 2007, 12:37 pm

TLPG wrote:

Lastcrazyhorn, the profile is rubbish. But Beau is wrong as well - he's actually in New Hampshire. But is that true about the cops, Beau? Where did you hear it?

Unless he was lying to me personally (and he may have been. Probably was)...

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14 Dec 2007, 12:38 pm

littlebopeep wrote:

I just read the blogpost. :roll:

BARF

I know

Legally, every member of this forum can sue him for slander and libel now.

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14 Dec 2007, 1:12 pm

TLPG wrote:

Am have known about John Best for a long time via mainly AFF but no idea how he really treats his child or how he really sees them,if he is as horrible as he acts online,his child would be better off with people who are specially trained and able to cope with him,he shouldn't be left with someone who continues to hate every bit of life of him.
Own parents were similar in that they continued to attempt to get am put away from an early age as they couldn't cope with am, am hope that unlike them,John is not saying how unwanted and bad his son is in front of him.

Institution-if he is going to be moved anywhere,an actual institution isn't a good start for autists,too many people,sensory onslaughts and too pro medical model [although that is what pro curists want],as an ex resident of a secure modern institution it wasn't as bad as what people had to go through years ago,but they are still places that cater for a lot of people,a home with less people and enough staff needed is better for autists.

John might not want his son as he is,but has he thought whether his son would want him either? just a thought.

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