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25 May 2014, 2:21 am

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Two friends of my parents were murdered by their son who was on marijuana at the time. Was a user for years. Apparently he has recently been ringing his sister asking where his parents are. He is in prison now.

Not sure about legalising it. It can really mess you up.

There is no evidence to suggest that marijuana makes a person prone to aggression. Smoking it has some of the same health risks that are associated with smoking nicotine or any other substance. It slows down your reflexes and reaction time and messes up your memory. If you have a heart condition, it not safe to smoke weed, because it has been associated with spikes in blood pressure. If you are prone to psychotic symptoms, you might want to avoid marijuana use. It seems to bring out psychotic symptoms in people who are pre-disposed. It is about as addictive as alcohol (less addictive than nicotine). Withdrawal symptoms are about the same as if you quit smoking cigarettes (tired, cranky, etc, annoying but not life-threatening). Marijuana is not a risk-free drug but it won't make you kill somebody.

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25 May 2014, 2:31 am

anecdotal evidence is annoying.

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25 May 2014, 6:48 pm

This is too funny. The FBI director says the bureau's no-tolerance marijuana policy is hindering the hiring of cyber-security experts.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014 ... r-experts/

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30 May 2014, 5:17 am

tweety_fan wrote:

Based on a single user who likely had psychological issues to begin with but its easy to blame something else.

If it wasn't weed then it would be violent movies or violent video games instead.

Correlation does not imply causation

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05 Jun 2014, 2:45 am

I have been on 'both sides' of the debate, after being a regular cannabis user for years and recently giving it up.

Despite what anybody says, the drug is bloody insidious.

Sure, it makes me feel relaxed and more 'sociable'...that only lures you in before the mind starts 'overthinking' (as if it didn't do enough of that when I wasn't stoned), leading to obsessions, delusions, paranoia, 'conspiracy theories' and all that stuff.

It's also bad for your health and nothing positive can come from smoking anything.

I'm not about to become a 'reformed smoker'....to each their own.

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05 Jun 2014, 5:56 am

em_tsuj wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

em_tsuj wrote:

To the original poster, you are definitely not alone. I am against the misinformation about marijuana use because it hurts people. More and more of the problems associated with marijuana abuse (not use, but abuse) are going to become public knowledge as more and more states push to legalize the drug.

At the same time, I don't think it is wrong for someone to use marijuana if they want to. It is that person's body. However, I think people need to know the truth about the possible risks they take when using marijuana. I also believe that anyone who drives while intoxicated or puts co-workers at danger because they are intoxicated on marijuana needs to be prosecuted, just like with other drugs (many of them legal). No one has the right to endanger other people by operating heavy machinery while impaired.

I am also against legalization because with legalization comes increased use and increased social acceptance of marijuana abuse. One thing the war on drugs does is put people in positions to get help when they need it. Alcoholics have a much longer history of alcohol abuse before they get treatment. Why? Because there are no legal consequences.

Another thing is that the culture (and laws) are going against science, just going on popular opinion. The opinions of people who don't have much direct knowledge of problems associated with marijuana abuse.

If anything the war on drugs is part of why a lot of people with drug addiction problems don't get help earlier on...there is a lot of stigma so I don't think more punishment for having a drug problem would be a good way to go about it. Perhaps treating it as a medical issue instead of a legal issue would be the best idea.

People go to treatment for drugs because of the social stigma and legal consequences. Also, in many, many, many cases because the courts offer to let them stay out of jail if they go to treatment. Treatment works, even if, initially, it isn't the drug user's idea to go to treatment. That's why increasingly (at least in my state), they are reducing jail sentences and really pushing for offenders to go to treatment. This is part of the war on drugs too, you know. It isn't just locking up drug dealers. Also, how many people get significant jail time for small amounts of pot? In my state the maximum is 45 days, and you only get that sentence after they put you on probation and you mess up really bad on probation. You're lucky to get any jail time at all for marijuana possession.

This is just my personal experience with the treatment industry (as an addiction professional, someone who went through treatment, and a long-time member of a 12-step fellowship). Things might be different where you live, but the people in treatment where I live who are in their teens and 20's are on marijuana, stimulants, and pills (benzos or opiates) The straight alcoholics (no drug use) are probably in their late 40's or 50's.

Also, look at statistics for abuse and problems associated with specific drugs. Alcohol and nicotine are the U.S.'s worst drug problem by far (worse than all other drugs combined). Why? Because they are legal and widely used. Making drugs illegal keeps many people from using said drugs because they do not wish to have a criminal record and because it drives up the cost and generally makes it more of a hassle to obtain said drugs.

As far as I can tell having drugs in general illegal does not stop people from doing them or cause them to be less likely to use them....so regardless I would still see it as a medical issue and don't think it should be treated as a criminal thing....I do not think there should be legal consequences for using drugs, as it makes no sense to me. Why is it the governments buisness what people want to ingest...the only buisiness the government should have in that is funding programs to help with medical treatment for drug problems. I really don't think stigma is what drives people to get help....I know stigma tends to make me less likely to want to trust anyone to help me with any of the issues I have so I imagine plenty of other people feel that way as well.

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05 Jun 2014, 5:58 am

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Not so sure it was the marijuana, as marijuana is not a drug that causes agression....at worst sometimes people get paranoid or anxious on it, or some people are allergic, or it is possible to smoke a bit much and throw up or pass out but nothing deadly there just your body telling you you've had enough. But I have yet to see any kind of evidence that implies marijuana use would contribute to violent behavior. Alcohol is much more likely to do that, though I imagine most people who drink alcohol aren't particularly violent either.

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05 Jun 2014, 7:45 am

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Sorry but that's like out of Reefer Madness or something. Marijuana doesn't force you to do anything, marijuana may alter your perception, but it's certainly not going to make you go on a homicidal rampage. This person has other issues at play, possibly brain damage or a severe mental illness that was untreated. If he's asking about the parents he murdered while he's in prison for the crime (meaning definitely not on drugs now) then that means he has some type of disorder that makes him hallucinate.

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19 Jun 2014, 3:39 am

SoMissunderstood wrote:

It seriously depends on the strain you are smoking not all weed has the same high.

you probably had something with a deep heavy stone what you want is something with a nice energetic high like silver haze.

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19 Jun 2014, 11:42 am

Aristophanes wrote:

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It also means he should be getting psychological help since if he doesn't remember murdering then there is that whole not guilty by reason of insanity and i think it includes having no recollection of the event or at least it can.

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20 Jun 2014, 12:49 pm

Punic wars, (Wars between Rome and Carthage, around 211 BC),

In 1969 archaeologist discovered a sunken Punic war ship with cannabis on board.
It's thought the herb was brewed into a tea to help calm rowers' nerves.

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20 Jun 2014, 4:29 pm

I attribute cannabis with being a substance that saved my life as a youth. It was very effective in a pinch and there were many in my life. I wouldn't care to imagine how I would have turned out or what I have done otherwise. If its a crutch, it is one that works.

Far too much injustice has been heaped on the plant and its users. If you don't like it, don't use it. But I also suggest not advocating for a situation that is more harmful than the plant or its users. People have died, are dying, have lost family, fortune and futures not because of the plant but because its criminalization has created an artificial environment where there is profit in producing as well in prohibiting it.

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26 Jun 2014, 6:23 am

I made a new acquaintance

I was smoking some super silver haze I'd bought from the deep web whilst walking around the local park and 2 guys walked past and shouted "omfg that s**t smells propa peng!" , I decided this weed is so damn good proper triple AAA s**t I should just offer them both a spliff.

we got talking about where I got my weed from and I told them the internet :lol: they laughed and gave me some guys number told me to say I'm a friend of XXXX after showing me the skunk they had on them

Just phoned the bloke and bought some nice green

seems you can easily meet and start simple conversation with other tokers and even though they look rough as hell like proper thugs they treat you nice just because of a common interest :lol:

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26 Jun 2014, 6:32 am

It blocks my neurotransmitters and kills off my creativity.

I like the smell of it though.

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26 Jun 2014, 6:35 am

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26 Jun 2014, 6:44 am

babybird wrote:

It blocks my neurotransmitters and kills off my creativity.

I like the smell of it though.

different strains have different effects but unless you live somewhere it's legal or know how to use the TOR version of the internet you will never see the proper connoisseur strains
most the stuff on the streets will be indica strains that give you the couchlock sit and stare at the tv feeling.

Benefits of Indica:
1. Relieves body pain
2. Relaxes muscles
3. Relieves spasms, reduces seizures
4. Relieves headaches and migraines
5. Relieves anxiety or stress

Benefits of Sativa:
1. Feelings of well-being and at-ease
2. Up-lifting and cerebral thoughts
3. Stimulates and energizes
4. Increases focus and creativity
5. Fights depression

sativa dominant strains are so damn awesome it's a pitty most people judge how good weed is by how much it robs you of the will to do anything.

I hate smoking indica dominant strains during the day they just rob you of the will to do anything and turn you into a zombie

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