28% of murderers thought to have suffered from ASD

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Bad use of statistics even if true. The more meaningful statistic is what % of autistics are murderers. My quick estimate puts it at very small percentage 0.068%.

Calculation:

16,000 murders in the US in 2019 28% is 4,480

328 million people in the US in 2019, we'll use 2% for the autistic population: 6.56 million

4,480/6.56 million = 0.068%

The stereotype is still around. It has not helped that some of the mass shooters in recent years have been diagnosed autistics. As far I have read the “link” has not been proven.

You and I have been around since 2011 so doesn't feel nostalgic seeing old posters again Joe

Its a case of some mass murderers are autistic but that doesn't mean being autistic means you are more likely to be a serial killer.

Not threads like this though, I hate being reminded that of all the disabilities to be born with I had to be born with the same one as Adam Lanza and James Fairweather.

Yeah...the topic is depressing...

Actually, it does. If only 1% of the population is autistic and more than 1% or murderers have ASD, then people with ASD are more likely to murder someone than people who aren't autistic. That's simply a fact based on logic.

If 28% of murderers have ASD, then people with ASD are 28 times more likely to murder someone than people who aren't autistic.

Instead of denying reality, it's better to accept it and examine why that is the case. Around 50% of school shooters in the US had ASD compared to probably 2% of young people being autistic (so 25 times more likely). The main reason they gave was feeling alone and rejected. That points to mental illness being the cause. It's 100% treatable. Autistic people need to be taught that no one rejects them because they're autistic, that people dislike them because of mental problems that are treatable if they work to overcome them.

So we are potential murderers. Great.

I mean, some people with ASD are criminals, including what we are just talking about, but I am using the word 'some', because everyone like us are more likely to be victims of crimes then commit them

Everyone is a potential murderer.

Since murder is rare, the potential is slim even if the rate in autistics is 28 times higher (0.068% verses 0.002% using Antrax's numbers) which means that over 99.9% of autistic people won't murder anyone.

I don't want us to pretend that there were never criminals with developmental disorders.


I am sure that it is very logical to believe that people with milder forms of developmental disorders are also by far more likely to commit crimes than anyone with severe to profound forms of developmental disorders


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17615427/

So 72% of them are allistic then?

I wonder how many of those are in gangs etc.

I think instead of saying ASD, we should say that most people with developmental disorders are more likely to be victims of crimes than commit them, because there are people who are developmentally delayed without having Autism

Doesn't address the rhetorical problem. I'm willing to bet most criminals are also victims of crimes, just like most bullies are victims of bullying.

I prefer my approach of 99.9% of autistics aren't murderers so I don't care what proportion of murderers are autistic.

We are talking about a very small proportion of autistic people. What type of early warning system would identify a potential serial killer?

Does 99.9 % sound too big?

I can say that 79 or 80 % of people with DD are not murderers?