Should people with Aspergers be able to own guns?

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02 Dec 2010, 2:28 pm

Nobody should be able to own guns imo.



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02 Dec 2010, 2:34 pm

I'll own one for self defense and just to screw around with at the range but it will be locked up and I'll have my protocol on using it.

I've fired off some pretty powerful pistols as well - a Ruger .45ACP and a Springfield .40S&W which is some Croatian made gun designed during the Soviet era.



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02 Dec 2010, 3:01 pm

I'd say yes.

The irony of saying no is that the only way to enforce it is to use guns. Either you let everyone have guns (criminals and all), or you let some elite privileged special group of people have guns to take the guns away from the people that you don't want to have them. But then only some of the unprivileged group won't have guns because there is always someone smart enough to get around it, like in Mexico where there is a total ban for civilians and yet the civilian drug gangs are more heavily armed than the government.

Then the only debate is who should be considered the special privileged elite and who should not. I prefer the "not" category be reserved for people with a history or diagnosable condition of violence, or who are mentally diagnosable as unable to function independently (I'm talking severe things like Downs, etc.) and thus wouldn't have the cognitive ability to understand what they are dealing with.

Guns scared me until I used one. Now they are fun and make my family secure from violent criminals. And I'm a vegetarian.



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02 Dec 2010, 3:15 pm

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Over here, the police actually have many, many more "accidents" involving poor handling than private citizens (there's far more privately owned weapons than government issued ones).

I wish I could remember the link, but I once saw a study of American crime reports that found cops are more likely that civilians to miss their targets (which increases the chance of hitting an innocent) when either one is confronted by a criminal in a life-threatening situation.

There's a funny or scary video on YouTube of an idiot Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) cop in a class room. He's waving around a loaded gun in front of a class of elementary school kids and doesn't even know the model number of his pistol (calls it a Glock number that doesn't even exist). The gun shouldn't have been loaded, and it should never have been waved around like that even if it were unloaded!

So he goes on and on about how he's the only one in the room qualified to touch it because he is so well trained in safety. Then as he holsters the gun he pulls the trigger and shoots himself in the foot. And I don't mean that figuratively. I know there are good cops out there, but cops like that are why I'm not relying on them to protect my family.



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22 Feb 2011, 2:13 pm

Wow, long thread.

I just wanted to go on record and say I have Asperger and own plenty of guns.

I also have a CCW and carry a revolver concealed everywhere I go (when I leave the house). At home I carry 100% of the time as well.

I also thing AS folks are more qualified than NTs to have guns. We are more mechanical, mindful, precise, and aware. We are willing to read the instruction manual and learn every single detail about guns and gun laws. Someone also mentioned how we are typically more averse to violence and heated situations to begin with.

And so those of you who are unfamiliar know, carrying a gun isn't even for those situations where things 'get out of hand' or however you'd like to describe it. You never pull a gun to make a point, to threaten someone, or anything like that. It's for when a gunman comes into the diner you are eating at and starts shooting at everyone, or when some punks break into your home at night with a baseball bat and are intent on killing you for all you know.



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24 Dec 2011, 11:55 am

Absolutely, YES! If they are sane and such then yes! Right now though I am not 21 (and not even 18) yet. So I have to settle with some airsoft equipment (RC Tank), which is the close you can get to owning guns for now.

The only thing that Aspies can't do/get and even so, some of them somehow got in is the US Military. :?


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24 Dec 2011, 11:58 am

I do not think I would nessisarly want a gun due to the fact I sometimes get suicidal.....and if i had a gun laying around that might not be good.


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24 Dec 2011, 12:37 pm

Anyone who fills out a form and answers the question "Do you have a mental illness?" with a considered response instead of just 'no' has failed the test.



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24 Dec 2011, 1:07 pm

I can't even kill a fly, so I doubt I would want to kill any people - even if they do agitate me.


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24 Dec 2011, 1:18 pm

I have many guns and a carry and conceal permit. It was an old hobby. Today they just largely stay locked up.

When I got my license and when I buy more ammunition, the paperwork does ask if you have a mental disorder. I select "no" because I do not believe AS is a mental disorder. It is a pervasive developemental disorder by defintion.



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24 Dec 2011, 1:19 pm

Anyone who so much as implied I had a mental disorder would get a bullet in the brain.

edit: IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN...

edit: I would shoot them with an irony bullet. In the brain.



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24 Dec 2011, 1:35 pm

I love guns and have owned them. Why would you answer truthfully about mental illness? I mean if you were paranoid and delusional then yeah it might be a good idea to tell them, but AS, or depression, or anything else like that is none of their business.


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24 Dec 2011, 1:47 pm

Please don't keep these ancient threads alive, start a new one.


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26 Dec 2011, 6:07 am

I have HFA and so does my young son. My mother has Aspergers, and my father was certainly on the spectrum, but he died before he was officially diagnosed. To add to this, I married a man with Aspergers. We are all insanely detailed, smart and (this is the word my coworkers have used for me...) quirky.

I am a police officer and so was my mother. I'd like to believe we both are/were very good at our jobs. My husband is a marksman and loves to target shoot as a hobby. My dad taught me how to shoot as he received training in the military. Throughout the years, we have carried and fired guns without making grave errors or considered using weapons for personal vendettas because we were treated poorly for being "different." On the job I realize I cannot read faces well so I've studied body language cues, threatening words, and I listen intently. I stand back from people to give me more time to react. I perform very well doing test drills where I have to choose whom to shoot or whom to protect. My overall motor skills are not that great, but I've learned to shoot well and carry safely despite how everything else works. My biggest problem is my horrible handwriting and getting in and out of the patrol car without stumbling! A coworker of mine has a Parkinson's-like body shake and he is an excellent shot.

I know this is repeated endlessly because we're talking about a gun debate, but it's not the gun that's lethal, it's the person controlling it. If you've a frame of mind to use a gun for criminal behavior or for any other purposeful violent reason, then the gun should be off-limits. If you know what you're doing, you keep it locked away from young children and use it for purely self defense, hunting and/or target practice, then it's fine. It's just another tool and it helps to practice.

More people are killed intentionally by persons driving vehicles so should we consider banning autistics from driving? How about banning us from golf clubs or baseball bats too?

That's just my thoughts. Everyone is different and we all have different capabilities too.



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26 Dec 2011, 8:03 am

Joe90 wrote:
I can't even kill a fly, so I doubt I would want to kill any people - even if they do agitate me.


A fellow European, hurray.
Frankly, apart from the police and other selected professions who require it no one should have guns.


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26 Dec 2011, 11:31 am

annemcb wrote:
I have HFA and so does my young son. My mother has Aspergers, and my father was certainly on the spectrum, but he died before he was officially diagnosed. To add to this, I married a man with Aspergers. We are all insanely detailed, smart and (this is the word my coworkers have used for me...) quirky.

I am a police officer and so was my mother. I'd like to believe we both are/were very good at our jobs. My husband is a marksman and loves to target shoot as a hobby. My dad taught me how to shoot as he received training in the military. Throughout the years, we have carried and fired guns without making grave errors or considered using weapons for personal vendettas because we were treated poorly for being "different." On the job I realize I cannot read faces well so I've studied body language cues, threatening words, and I listen intently. I stand back from people to give me more time to react. I perform very well doing test drills where I have to choose whom to shoot or whom to protect. My overall motor skills are not that great, but I've learned to shoot well and carry safely despite how everything else works. My biggest problem is my horrible handwriting and getting in and out of the patrol car without stumbling! A coworker of mine has a Parkinson's-like body shake and he is an excellent shot.

I know this is repeated endlessly because we're talking about a gun debate, but it's not the gun that's lethal, it's the person controlling it. If you've a frame of mind to use a gun for criminal behavior or for any other purposeful violent reason, then the gun should be off-limits. If you know what you're doing, you keep it locked away from young children and use it for purely self defense, hunting and/or target practice, then it's fine. It's just another tool and it helps to practice.

More people are killed intentionally by persons driving vehicles so should we consider banning autistics from driving? How about banning us from golf clubs or baseball bats too?

That's just my thoughts. Everyone is different and we all have different capabilities too.



I hear ya. I for one wouldn't even mention having Asperger's on my gun license application. Of course, if they try to search my background they'll probably find doctor's records of it, but I already have a defense for that. The exact wording of the question is probably the same as the one for a driver's license "Do you have a mental disorder or disability that would interfere with your judgement in handling firearms?" If it's worded like that, technically I'm not lying, since I don't think having Asperger's has anything to do with how, when, and why I would choose to use a firearm.

Another thing too; every member of my family owns at least one gun and know how to use them. My uncle in Colorado is a state-certified tactical firearms instructor, and he knows his stuff. Just this past Christmas he and my other uncle came up to visit, and they brought the newest additions to their arsenal with them. We went out shooting on Christmas day, and they let me shoot my dad's .22 pistol, my uncle's Mossberg 500 shotgun, and even a few rounds with the AR15 semi-automatic rifle (you military folks might recognize it as the M4). Between the three of them, they've taught me everything I know about guns and gun safety, and I feel confident in my ability to carry and use a firearm responsibly.

Thankfully, Wyoming has pretty open gun laws to begin with. Just a year ago they passed legislation to do away with concealed carry licenses, the idea being is that you have to go through a background check to obtain any kind of gun in the state, so if you pass and are legally allowed to own one then it goes to reason that you can carry one with you at all times, concealed or not, except in places where they aren't allowed (banks, bars, city hall, etc.)


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