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12 Jun 2012, 5:24 am

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Interesting CBS 60minutes article about Finnish awkwardness, 7 minutes long

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxZoV3t61c[/youtube]


Oh, no... Why did you have to put that video there…? :oops:

There are cultural differences, but that tango part was just… :roll: Finnish culture is nothing like the Mediterranean or American when it comes to social codes and manners, but that is the enrichment different cultures bring.

But I can say for sure, that the European autistic genes aren’t definitely Finnish, since Finns weren’t Vikings. They stayed home… Though I found this not so scientific study (link here) claiming that Finns still did cause autism… :lol:


And this thread is about Scandinavia. It consists of Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Finland is not part of it.


Finland is a part of Scandinavia



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12 Jun 2012, 7:00 am

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Finland is a part of Scandinavia

"Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland, the Faroe Islands, and Finland, on account of their historical association with the Scandinavian countries.[3] Such usage, however, may be considered inaccurate in the area itself, where the term Nordic countries instead refers to this broader group." ( source )


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12 Jun 2012, 8:23 am

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I think Asperger's Syndrome originated in Scandinavia.

I've never met a Scandinavian (Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic, Greenlandic, Finnish) person who isn't socially awkward.

Both my parents have Scandinavian roots (my dad's descendants came from Denmark and my mother's descendants came from Sweden).

The Scandinavian tribes in history as they banded together to invade much of Europe left a big legacy. They settled in Britain, Germany, on the borders of Russia. The places they didn't conquer, their people still interbred somewhat with those populations.

That's why I'd argue not all Aspies have blue eyes. Therefore proving all Aspies is Scandinavian would be difficult. But then for example in Germany the Danish tribe of Scandinavians interbred with people with brown eyes so the eye colours became more mixed.


That's a baseless stereotype. Most Scandinavians are rather impolite and arrogant, but very cliquey and extroverted.

The extreme passiveness of some of the girls here, the "ignore people outside the clique" attitude of the boys here and so on, can be mistaken for social awkwardness, though...



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12 Jun 2012, 8:40 am

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Not all Scandinavians (or descendants thereof) have blue eyes, either.


Marie Fyodorovna, Empress Consort of Russia, who was born Princess Dagmar of Denmark did not have blue eyes or blond hair. She had brown hair and brown eyes.


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12 Jun 2012, 9:59 am

My father's family is from the current-day border area between Germany and Denmark, and my surname seems to originate in Denmark, with some moving to Norway and others to Germany.



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12 Jun 2012, 11:47 am

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It's possible there could be more than one Asperger's. The Scandinavian one and maybe other ones that are somewhat different. But I don't know really, just a wild guess. It's just something I observed really.


When you get enough experience with people from all demographics you almost have to come to the conclusion that we're all amazingly imperfect with genotypes kinda shareing general imperfections.

Everybody knows Scandinavian's are just kinda Aspie, and Asperger's is a more extreme type probably due to extreme reoccuring challenges, Asperger's being a coping strategy that has become hard-wired in the brain from constant practice.

In other words, Scandinavians will pull back and protect their world when challenged with a threat. They all do that. It's why they get called cold or robotic. From the viewpoint of other genotypes it certainly must appear as cold or robotic but more accuratly, it's a coping strategy of protection from a percieved threat....on steroids.

Any other genotypes that have a high incidence of Asperger's I'd suppose is due to interbreeding with Scandinavians or an entirely different thing that has enough similarities to have lead to a misunderstood as being the same thing. Whales are not fish.



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12 Jun 2012, 12:08 pm

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Everybody knows Scandinavian's are just kinda Aspie

As an Aspie from what many here refer to as "Aspie lands", I can ensure you, not everyone are Aspie here. Not by a long shot. Restricted in body language, yes, but that's culture, not genetics. If you say hello to someone at the bus, they look at you like you are crazy. I suspect it's the same thing in the new york subway, only there you might get killed. And rural folks are more sceptical to strangers, but thats just how it is on the countryside.

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12 Jun 2012, 12:49 pm

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Everybody knows Scandinavian's are just kinda Aspie

As an Aspie from what many here refer to as "Aspie lands", I can ensure you, not everyone are Aspie here. Not by a long shot. Restricted in body language, yes, but that's culture, not genetics. If you say hello to someone at the bus, they look at you like you are crazy. I suspect it's the same thing in the new york subway, only there you might get killed. And rural folks are more sceptical to strangers, but thats just how it is on the countryside.

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I wouldn't really call the very foundation of AS as being "restricted". In my opinion AS is an individual building a mental version of a castle wall. It's a mental electro-magnetic forcefield of protection. You can't get in and they aren't opening it to interact for fear you might get in.

Not everyone in Norway are Aspie but not everyone in Norway have been subjected to a threat or series of threats that caused the Aspie coping strategy to manifest itself. Still in every Norwegian's genes there's the AS coping strategy always there waiting to be implemented upon being subjected to a perceived risk.

Why do I think so? I'm of Norwegian decent (coming from one of the most attractive tribes of course :) ). I've lived in the State of Wisconsin for 5 years. Wisconsin was settled by Norwegians and is still largly populated with Norwegians. While living in Wisconsin, I saw clear and indisputable Aspie elements so ubiquitous it was generalised as the culture.

Now the U.S. is a melting pot of races and cultures and I've been to most every place in the U.S. and Canada and have worked with people from all over the world as well. I think Aspie is a Scandi trait.



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12 Jun 2012, 1:25 pm

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In other words, Scandinavians will pull back and protect their world when challenged with a threat. They all do that. It's why they get called cold or robotic. From the viewpoint of other genotypes it certainly must appear as cold or robotic but more accuratly, it's a coping strategy of protection from a percieved threat....on steroids.


But won't everyone do that when there's a threat? I know the Danes were not too happy that the Swedes did not help them in the wars over the twin duches of Schlewsig-Holstein. But everyone was so happy when Crown Prince Frederick married Princess Lovisa of Sweden-Norway. They saw it as a symbol of new Scandinavianism. A Swedish princess was certainly more preferable than a German one, although Lovisa was the very first Swedish princess to marry into the Danish royal house since AGES. I always found that rather odd, really. Certain countries tended to stick with each other for different reasons. Like the Iberian royal families married into other Iberian royal families for the most part. They were all Catholic, for one. I'd have thought the Scandinavians would have married between themselves. Lovisa was very popular with the public both as Crown Princess and Queen. Unfortunately, she was not very popular with her Danish in-laws.


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12 Jun 2012, 2:43 pm

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In other words, Scandinavians will pull back and protect their world when challenged with a threat. They all do that. It's why they get called cold or robotic. From the viewpoint of other genotypes it certainly must appear as cold or robotic but more accuratly, it's a coping strategy of protection from a percieved threat....on steroids.


But won't everyone do that when there's a threat? .


Nope.

If a saber-toothed tiger (this is a favorite American example of a threat lol) is looking at you with saliva dripping from it's fangs you can do three things. One, run away. Two, fight. Three, go into shock.

Aspie is a form of shock, hard-wired into the brain and a permenent disfunction of the individual due to a huge moment of fear or many moments of fearsome episodes. The tendence to run, fight or go Aspie is genetically determined but of course culture plays a big role. What is culture but a societal mechanism of coping, based on genetically determined mental processes...culture is a product of genes.



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12 Jun 2012, 4:26 pm

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I don't think it's Scandanavian. I have AS and I cannot stand that Ikea furniture. Nor could I stand all that cold weather. Or all the tall, perfect blonde people everywhere.

No, no.


what's wrong with Ikea Furniture?


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12 Jun 2012, 4:28 pm

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The tendence to run, fight or go Aspie is genetically determined but of course culture plays a big role. What is culture but a societal mechanism of coping, based on genetically determined mental processes...culture is a product of genes.

We should rename "fight or flight responds" to "fight, flight or aspie responds"..


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12 Jun 2012, 4:32 pm

I been reading all these post and my conclusion is that I may be part German, British or Japanese (which I highly doubt).

There's always the chance of having Finn Genes on me though.

Where my parents are from, rumor (and Wikipedia) has it that, Russian, Arab, European and Asian immigrants intermarried and had children, either with immigrants of said groups or the local mestizos.

So I could be anything..really... :?:


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I been reading all these post and my conclusion is that I may be part German, British or Japanese (which I highly doubt).

There's always the chance of having Finn Genes on me though.

Where my parents are from, rumor (and Wikipedia) has it that, Russian, Arab, European and Asian immigrants intermarried and had children, either with immigrants of said groups or the local mestizos.

So I could be anything..really... :?:


What did you read from the posts that brought you to that conclusion lol? But anyway, yes I gottcha, one thing though....Aspie is a Scandinavian trait :)



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12 Jun 2012, 5:09 pm

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/08/world/la-fg-korea-autism-20110608

Aspergers as well as other forms of autism were measured at the highest rates in South Korea, an Island far removed from Scandinavian Countries and the ethnic groups that live in those countries.

Thorough diagnosis, though, is what made the difference.

The disorder of Asperger's is definitely not a Scandinavian specific disorder, per this data.

However, Autistic traits were measured at close to 30% in the US and Sweden.

Autistic traits are not necessarily indicative of a disorder, instead they are part of what makes the broader autism phenotype seen in all countries, where it is measured.

All diagnoses of ASD's are based on behavioral assessment. Culture impacts social communication, as well as behaviors known as RRB's, associated with ASD's. So the autistic like traits one may come across, may be more pronounced depending on cultural influence.

If cultures could be anthropomorphized some would likely be more introverted than others. Those introverted like traits are attributed to Germans as well, per cultural stereotypes, but the actual disorder of Aspergers is not measured there any higher than it is in South Korea. South Korea leads the world in technology, and solitary pursuits of technology, so the culture there likely influences behavior associated with autistic like traits as well.

There have been many analyses in the media that suggest that culture in the US is becoming "Autistic" as well, per many of the same factors at play in South Korea.



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12 Jun 2012, 5:37 pm

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http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/08/world/la-fg-korea-autism-20110608

Aspergers as well as other forms of autism were measured at the highest rates in South Korea, an Island far removed from Scandinavian Countries and the ethnic groups that live in those countries.

Thorough diagnosis, though, is what made the difference.

The disorder of Asperger's is definitely not a Scandinavian specific disorder, per this data.

However, Autistic traits were measured at close to 30% in the US and Sweden.

Autistic traits are not necessarily indicative of a disorder, instead they are part of what makes the broader autism phenotype seen in all countries, where it is measured.

All diagnoses of ASD's are based on behavioral assessment. Culture impacts social communication, as well as behaviors known as RRB's, associated with ASD's. So the autistic like traits one may come across, may be more pronounced depending on cultural influence.

If cultures could be anthropomorphized some would likely be more introverted than others. Those introverted like traits are attributed to Germans as well, per cultural stereotypes, but the actual disorder of Aspergers is not measured there any higher than it is in South Korea. South Korea leads the world in technology, and solitary pursuits of technology, so the culture there likely influences behavior associated with autistic like traits as well.

There have been many analyses in the media that suggest that culture in the US is becoming "Autistic" as well, per many of the same factors at play in South Korea.


There's another disorder caused by toxic shock. Toxins causing cellular death. Could it be that the technologically active cpountry in the world has lots of toxins going into peoples bloodstream?

While I can't offer up such indisputable proof as a l.A.times article, I do know Asperger's/Autism ect is a Scandinavian disorder. How do I know that? It's explained in my previous posts.

What I don't understand is, what is the value of the scientific community lying about it? Doesn't really seem all that big a deal to me. It reminds me of how vehimentlly the scientific community contended the theory that caucasions had Neandertal blood in them. They knew before the DNA testing it was the case but they lied. Why? In fact they would still be pointing a gun at the few scientists that claimed Neandertal heritage had not the DNA tests now made the issue impossible to deny.