List one NT thing you do not understand.

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03 Nov 2009, 12:39 pm

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i don't understand the difference an hour or a day makes. I also don't understand the harsh penalties attached to deadlines such as taking an entire 10 points off a report or charging late fees for rent.



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03 Nov 2009, 1:40 pm

I was watching a TV documentary about conscientious objectors in World War I, and that raised a pretty big question that I'm surprised hasn't turned on this thread yet.

Why the hell do NTs start wars? For the life of me I cannot figure out how any sane person would think that that was a good idea.

(And btw, this isn't intended as another cue to start the "was Hitler aspie" debate again...)


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03 Nov 2009, 2:11 pm

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I was watching a TV documentary about conscientious objectors in World War I, and that raised a pretty big question that I'm surprised hasn't turned on this thread yet.

Why the hell do NTs start wars? For the life of me I cannot figure out how any sane person would think that that was a good idea.

(And btw, this isn't intended as another cue to start the "was Hitler aspie" debate again...)


Why? To gain resources. I'm not condoning it. I'm explaining it. Today's war protestors are well aware of that which is why they put "No Blood For Oil" on their signs. Throughout history wars have been started to gain the resources of land, human labour and natural resources such as oil. Wars also get started to control resources via controlling politics and economies of a region. It may look insane but there is a certain terrible pragmatism at work.



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03 Nov 2009, 3:15 pm

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when i'm walking down the street someone will apologize to me as if they're in my way when they're 2-3 feet away from me.


That's not NT, that's Canadian! :wink:


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03 Nov 2009, 3:34 pm

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It can be anything, illogical or logical. Just post ONE NT habit, preoccupation, belief, or behaviour you don't understand.

For me, why do women like so many purses of so many colours and sizes?!?! I have a little black purse. It's got shoelaces for handles because the old ones ripped off. I use it every day. I like it because it's just bigger than a large pocket. Why do some people feel the need to carry around a stiff brightly coloured bag the size of a sheep? :lol:


The habit many NTs have of leaping and bounding into pseudorandom nonsense realkly befuddles me!

An example was a computer quiz game I played with my NT friend.

The game gave a list of four Australian parrot species, and one had to guess the name that meant, in an aboriginal language, "good bird".

Well, I knew from an article I'd researched that cockatoo comes from a Malay word meaning "old parrot" so that couldn't be it.

Cockatiel was a variant form of cockatoo, the "cocka" coming from the Malay "kaka" meaning parrot, so that couldn't be it.

Budgerigar is derived from a New South Wales language word meaning "good eating" (budgies were a variety of quick cooking snack food, a bit like a hot dog) so it could not have been budgerigar.

Lorikeet was the only word I failed to recognise.

So I guessed lorikeet, by way of a process of elimination.

The quiz gave the answer of budgerigar.

That is factually incorrect.

Yet my friend trold me that "good eating" would be considered gruesome by a lot of people, so "good bird" would be okay.

Obviously the quiz researchers were NTs!

This sloppy logic applies to so many different areas.

There is the related way that NTs attribute motives that don't exist.

I say something, and mean what I say - exactly that and no more, no less - and the NTs always seem to conjure up some irrelevant yet mysteriously hidden interpretation that they attribute to me!

I've even been told that the assumed motive is there. That I am either lying when I say its not or I need to go and work on myself so I can go and understand my inner thoughts.


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03 Nov 2009, 3:42 pm

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I have not read this whole thread. But for me I can't understand the need for NT's to have big get togethers and parties. All you do is walk around the party, put on a fake smile and do small talk with people that are faking wanting to be there as well. Total waste of time.


Oh dear, do I get this one!

I have to go to a magazine launch and whilst there will be some relevant things to do, for the most part, people will be going around, smiling vacuously at each other and all yearning for the night to end.


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03 Nov 2009, 10:54 pm

- small talk (obviously)
- why certain NTs need to talk to EVERYBODY, sometimes I honestly perfer they ignore me
- inappropriate and/or personal questions (i.e. Do you watch porn?) - not all NT's do this though
- certain NT people get a kick out of hearing your reply to inappropriate things or silly randomness or irrevelant comment about anything like my shoes, schoolwork, ANYTHING

I have more but I can only think of those off the top of my head.



03 Nov 2009, 10:57 pm

Why people must make a big deal out of harmless things that are out of the norm eg. dislike of hugs and touch, dislikes of being held, no interest in friends of their own age, hand flapping, wearing ear plugs in public, spending your time with your obsessions and watching the same movie over and over or reading the same book over and over.



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03 Nov 2009, 11:05 pm

Fashion. I can't believe I missed the biggest one of them all. Well my friends don't bother explaining to me in detail what the meaning of being fashionable is & what clothes to wear, etc. I really want to know. :cry:



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03 Nov 2009, 11:25 pm

One thing I don't understand right now is how, despite my diagnosis, I'm still treated like I was when I didn't have it. Just because I don't outwardly express my discomfort or anxiety doesn't mean it isn't there.


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04 Nov 2009, 4:06 am

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Fashion. I can't believe I missed the biggest one of them all. Well my friends don't bother explaining to me in detail what the meaning of being fashionable is & what clothes to wear, etc. I really want to know. :cry:


Although I have virtually no interest in clothes at all personally, I can, nevertheless, understand someone being interested in putting together and wearing outfits they like. What I absolutely cannot understand is fashion in the sense of simply wearing particular clothes because everyone else is, because the media has told you that those clothes are the correct/fashionable thing to wear, whether you truly like them or not. I've seen people literally laugh at clothes when they were out of 'fashion', then three years later when they're in 'fashion', enthusiastically buy and wear them.



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04 Nov 2009, 6:54 am

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Mapler wrote:
Fashion. I can't believe I missed the biggest one of them all. Well my friends don't bother explaining to me in detail what the meaning of being fashionable is & what clothes to wear, etc. I really want to know. :cry:


Although I have virtually no interest in clothes at all personally, I can, nevertheless, understand someone being interested in putting together and wearing outfits they like. What I absolutely cannot understand is fashion in the sense of simply wearing particular clothes because everyone else is, because the media has told you that those clothes are the correct/fashionable thing to wear, whether you truly like them or not. I've seen people literally laugh at clothes when they were out of 'fashion', then three years later when they're in 'fashion', enthusiastically buy and wear them.


On the surface it looks baffling but I think "fashion" is actually being used as a proxy for something else. I think it's being used as a proxy for figuring out how well somebody pays attention to and responds to their enviroment. It is a measure of how quickly a person can adapt to change- a trait that is generally seen as valuable. The people who get a pass are the ones who demonstrate that their unwillingness to follow fashion is a conscious choice rather than an inability to assess and adapt to a quickly changing enviroment. The ones who get reviled the most are the ones who attempt to follow fashion but are unable to adapt quickly enough. It shows that they want to adapt to their enviroment but don't have the skills to do so, which gets more derision than choosing not to.



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04 Nov 2009, 7:07 am

I understand NTs rather well. I am not an NT thought. I is like living in France. After 25 years one can understand the French (even their language) and still not be French. After about 40 years I caught onto NT tropes and modalities just fine. But I grasped them as an outsider. Right now I can pass for NT easily (in terms of my external behavior) but I am not NT nor will I ever be.

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04 Nov 2009, 12:57 pm

Why they don't really care about stuff. Even if it's something they're interested in, they really don't want to learn more.



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04 Nov 2009, 3:57 pm

I often have a great deal & trouble when it comes to non-verbal cues and body language in that, many times I've failed to pick up on these meaningful and crucial forms of communication though, it perplexes me to death and really wished people would say what they mean without all of this guess-work..I'll admit that, I should not be so inflexible yet, it can be a daunting task to fully comprehend such..



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04 Nov 2009, 10:38 pm

Janissy wrote:
Hovis wrote:
Mapler wrote:
Fashion. I can't believe I missed the biggest one of them all. Well my friends don't bother explaining to me in detail what the meaning of being fashionable is & what clothes to wear, etc. I really want to know. :cry:


Although I have virtually no interest in clothes at all personally, I can, nevertheless, understand someone being interested in putting together and wearing outfits they like. What I absolutely cannot understand is fashion in the sense of simply wearing particular clothes because everyone else is, because the media has told you that those clothes are the correct/fashionable thing to wear, whether you truly like them or not. I've seen people literally laugh at clothes when they were out of 'fashion', then three years later when they're in 'fashion', enthusiastically buy and wear them.


On the surface it looks baffling but I think "fashion" is actually being used as a proxy for something else. I think it's being used as a proxy for figuring out how well somebody pays attention to and responds to their enviroment. It is a measure of how quickly a person can adapt to change- a trait that is generally seen as valuable. The people who get a pass are the ones who demonstrate that their unwillingness to follow fashion is a conscious choice rather than an inability to assess and adapt to a quickly changing enviroment. The ones who get reviled the most are the ones who attempt to follow fashion but are unable to adapt quickly enough. It shows that they want to adapt to their enviroment but don't have the skills to do so, which gets more derision than choosing not to.
I think the answer is much simpler: Clothing designers are good at getting people obsessed with social status to part with their money as often as possible.


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