Accepting Autism is Like a Traffic Jam

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They ignored Hitler as well, C.Darwin.

No thank you.

Can someone PM me the address then? I'm curious...

I'll PM it to you, LeKiwi.

I find extremists hard to resist/ignore.

Keep your freinds close - - and your enemies closer, as they say.

Vaccines are not injected into veins. They are injected into muscles.

Some of the stories about kids screaming, regressing, etc immediately after vaccines are cooked up. They do not represent the truth.

You can see this in the Cedillo case. Of all the parents in the UK who were going to sue for MMR damage, push come to shove, they had no evidence from medical records that their claims about sudden regressions, etc were a fact.

People lie.

People lie for money even more than they lie just to lie.

Parents lie about their kids regressing so they can sue a vaccine manufacturer or the gov't.

They also pick up details from one another and just passively absorb them and include them into their memories as if they are real. Those people aren't lying but they are misremembering what actually happened.

Sammy on the AS board has this entirely contrived story about his kid regressing etc. Sammy is John Best and has no compunctions about lying to make vaccines look bad. Best has filed the paperwork in order to sue vaccine manufacturers. This is public information. He's on a campaign to improve the chances of his winning in court eventually, even though there is NO evidence that any vaccine ever has made any kid autistic ever.

I mean, lets get real here. Vaccines can cause side effects. One of the side effect is NOT autism. You can see this by reading/listening to the Cedillo, Hazlehurst and Snyder transcripts/audio.

When the parents start in with their sob stories, you don't have to buy them. Some are sincere, but some are outright lies or combinations of truth and lies.

Hi Darwin. Just saying "hi".

The fact is, we just don't know if they have induced autism or not. There is no way of knowing. Just like nobody really knows how many actually HAVE autism or are on the spectrum in the world; it's all just guesswork and theories. I think part of the problem in proving conclusively whether they do or not is that nobody truly knows the full physical effects of autism on the body and brain, and the fact that it's such a broad spectrum... it'd be hard for people to prove with 'before' and 'after' shots so to speak that it really did the damage.

I know what I believe, but again, that's just my theory, my idea.

Besides, regardless of the autism thing, I'm not convinced vaccines do any more good than they do harm - and believe me, autism or not, there's proof that they do harm!! To me, the negatives outweight the benefits. It'd be against everything I stand for to inject that kind of gunk into my children's arms. I don't use any chemicals in my home or on my skin, so to inject it into my arm would be a bit of a contradiction really.

You're right in that it isn't injected into the bloodstream.




And thanks Littlebopeep... I'm curious to see what he's saying.

From what I've read so far, I believe that vax's aren't connected with autism. I'm interlectually convinced. But ask me if I could vax my kids without any worries. No I couldn't...

Seriously, you want to reintroduce diseases like smallpox and bring child-mortality back to the level it was at a century ago?

Little Bo Peep, Nooooo. Then you know I will have to go there, because I am not going to let him say bad things about you. You know how I feel about him. LBP, the post you put on My thread is the funniest, I have ever seen! Even funnier than my taser pic. You know he is TH Huxley right?

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Not saying that at all, and I'm not denying how awful those diseases are.

I'm just not convinced that vaccines are safe in any way, so I won't be vaccinating my kids. It's up to you what you do with yours, but mine won't be. If yours are immunised and the immunisations work like I assume you believe they do if you vaccinate, then you have nothing to worry about.

Wow, I've just read this guy's blog... he has a lot of fear and anger and heartache. I wish someone could help him accept his son for what he is and start to help this guy. That much guilt and resentment - because to me he seems almost like he feels guilty for his son's condition - is not healthy in any way. If his way of getting it out is to vent on a blog, that's ok. But he's just not doing it in a healthy way at all...

Perhaps instead of attacking him so much we could try and help him understand AS a bit better and how to deal with things and start to dissolve that fear and that resentment and anger?

Wow, Autism Diva is posting here. Awesome!

Hello, AD!

Autismdiva, Thank you so much for coming by to say hi. You know that I am the President of your fan club! I will be back to AS but only in the way you do. Late night when things have cooled down. I have a month before my citations expire although my ban will be up in a week. I see the things you have been doing there and I really appreciate it. I like the cat picture and the woo or not woo thread. Welcome to the underground is where I am at now. The way you nailed IHTFDA was the way I would have done it. I liked the part where you said,"so I'll put you down for not woo. You are my hero!

I am in awe of your presence here.

The places int he US where these outbreaks have taken place have all been in places where vaccination rates dropped - they have been reported in the mainstream media. There are university-funded studies from Denmark and Britain showing no correlation between vaccines and autism. They're certainly more independent than anything funded by safeminds.
What you're describing sounds to me like sensory issues - something an already autistic child could display. In any case, you could easily find 'evidence' like this from plenty of mothers about witchcraft, evil spirits and whatnot. This is why it is not reliable without outside corroboration. If all your evidence for autism-vaccine links (or for witchcraft for that matter) is the hysterical rantings of people who by their very position cannot be expected to be objective (and you could get easily get reams of testimonies for witchcraft if you go to the right places), then you have no evidence at all.

You keep missing my point.

Regardless of the autism theory - which, as I've said a few times, I don't believe is the majority by any means (as far as I'm concerned autism is a hereditary condition, and has been proven so time and time again), would be very hard to prove, and I don't believe is true autism; more likely vaccine damage that mimics it - I don't believe vaccines are any safer than not being vaccinated, and that the risks outweigh any potential benefits.

So again, my kids won't be vaccinated. I just don't believe injecting that muck into your arms over and over again is going to do anyone any good. If you vaccinate yours, that's your decision, and they'll be protected anyway presumably so you have no reason to worry about me and my decisions.

Actually, not vaccinating some kids diminishes herd immunity. Vaccines lower your chances of catching the disease, but not quite to zero - so if there's an outbreak among the unvaccinated in your community, your chances of catching it, while still lower than those of the unvaccinated, increase. So if enough parents refuse vaccines, they are putting other children at risk.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the risks of vaccines outweigh the benefits - this is not saying that vaccines are infallibly safe (the smallpox vaccine was sometimes lethal, but it was still safer to have it than not have it before the eradication of smallpox), just that there is no evidence that the risks of having the usual childhood ones outweigh the risks of not having them. Yes, they're every 'artificial' - like many other things that have made the average life expectancy in developed countries decades longer than when everything was 'natural' (bubonic plague and smallpox were very natural after all).