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09 Jan 2016, 1:07 pm

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My ideal shopping experience is to be ignored and left alone.

That would be my ideal life if I could make a living while being that way. For some reason I always stood out. And, the more I tried to disappear, the more notice I got. Let's put it this way, if you are walking down the streets in Manhattan and a homeless person makes note of you specifically (and not begging money from you) then, something is getting attention.
If you want to do one thing that will get you in good graces at the Chinese food store, then speak to them. Simple things. Just your basic pleasantries in their language would be met with enthusiasm.
One word of warning though, if they are saying things in Chinese about you, thinking you know nothing because, well, nobody speaks Chinese but the Chinese of course, you may see them get embarrassed. They will think they've been 'caught'. Has happened to me a few times just by saying thank you (in their language) while they speak ill of me to my wife.

Edit: You know one of the things I like about dealing with the Chinese? They have the most expressive faces and is quite a bit easier to read some things than western cultures. I mean everyday, sitting around the table, people just being themselves. Westerners think that many of the movies they have seen say that there is a lot of 'overacting'. Not in my experience. In the people of my wife's age range, they will even do the hand signs you see in the movies when making a point. So, that is a bit more true in real life and not just overacting.
The ONLY thing I have not seen them do is this: Lean back, pull on the beard and laugh maniacally.


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09 Jan 2016, 1:33 pm

^ I'm not sure I'd let anyone know if I knew that they were talking about me. It would be embarrassing for me, too. Unless it made me really mad.

I'd like to learn more about Chinese culture. I think I'll start by watching some movies and tv shows from China and Taiwan.



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09 Jan 2016, 1:38 pm

I'm a African American, and I kinda do and I kinda don't.

The reason why I'm upset at/by my race is that they commit homicides, robberies, and protest in a unpeaceful manner. (No offense)

The reason I love my race is that we stood up for rights in the civil rights movement, and didn't back down.


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09 Jan 2016, 1:48 pm

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I'm a African American, and I kinda do and I kinda don't.

The reason why I'm upset at/by my race is that they commit homicides, robberies, and protest in a unpeaceful manner. (No offense)

The reason I love my race is that we stood up for rights in the civil rights movement, and didn't back down.


It's not really your race doing those things, it's a subset of a particular culture. Not all black Americans agree with those actions or participate in them.

Don't let the bad people who happen to be of your race make you feel badly about your race in general.



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09 Jan 2016, 1:53 pm

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^ I'm not sure I'd let anyone know if I knew that they were talking about me. It would be embarrassing for me, too. Unless it made me really mad.

I'd like to learn more about Chinese culture. I think I'll start by watching some movies and tv shows from China and Taiwan.
I didn't let them know. If I did, it would get confrontational real quick. That's why I tend to withdraw in social situations. I can say that the only thing that I will get in their face about...any foreigner for that matter: Do not call me 'foreigner' in my own country. That bugs the crap out of me. I have told them that I am not the foreigner here, they are.

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I'm a African American, and I kinda do and I kinda don't.

The reason why I'm upset at/by my race is that they commit homicides, robberies, and protest in a unpeaceful manner. (No offense)

The reason I love my race is that we stood up for rights in the civil rights movement, and didn't back down.
I was a young boy during those times in the south. I can attest to the differences between the actual civil rights movement that went on then as well as the differences between that and the 'put upon, first world gripes' that seem to dominate many of their 'demands on the world'.
There are many gripes that are legitimate, but too many are trying to piggy back their crybaby attitudes onto those real issues. All that does is dilute the real problems.

And, yes, I am talking specifically about the wienies at the University that complained on social media that the bombings in Paris took the attention away from them. Or, assaulted a school photographer while doing the 4 year old aggression while saying "I'm not doing that, you are". Or the idiot professor that tried to limit free speech in a forceful manner "Can I get some muscle here, this guy's got to go".

So enough crap to go around for all races and cultures. That's why it don't matter to me.


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10 Jan 2016, 8:12 am

This seems to require a "we," an identification with a group. I have troubles with this. I never feel I "belong" to any group, or identify myself with them. We are all just individuals.
Thus I didn't pick up on it immediately when someone behaved in a racist way toward me recently - because it just didn't occur to me that they were grouping me in with a race and the stereotypes of that race based on my accent and the colour of my skin. I'm also slow to associate that grouping when it comes to others, and stereotype them by race. People seem to be just people until I'm told otherwise.


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10 Jan 2016, 8:17 am

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This seems to require a "we," an identification with a group. I have troubles with this. I never feel I "belong" to any group, or identify myself with them. We are all just individuals.
Thus I didn't pick up on it immediately when someone behaved in a racist way toward me recently - because it just didn't occur to me that they were grouping me in with a race and the stereotypes of that race based on my accent and the colour of my skin. I'm also slow to associate that grouping when it comes to others, and stereotype them by race. People seem to be just people until I'm told otherwise.
I agree completely about how I view people. I just see them all as the same confusing mass.
I am curious how someone behaved 'racist' towards you. Just for my little brain suitcase of examples if you will. I do not deny it happened. Just would like to know what happened.


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10 Jan 2016, 9:13 am

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I am curious how someone behaved 'racist' towards you. Just for my little brain suitcase of examples if you will. I do not deny it happened. Just would like to know what happened.

I ranted about it here actually - it was the social services and employment department. I'm trying to re-enter the workforce after a serious illness was corrected by a series of major surgeries through 2015. An employment consultant obviously of Asian descent (though his accent was almost as broad as mine, lending even less credence to his position) told me my real problem was because my skin is white and I was born in this country, my life had been easy, and I expected everything to be "served up on a platter" and I didn't know "how it really is in this world," so obviously I was making no effort to find work.
My basis for complaint (to his national head office HR department) that this was racially based was he was making an ignorant and stereotyped judgement of me and my situation based on my colour, my accent, and my origin, when he had no idea what my real situation was. Just because I am white and he is Asian does not mean he cannot be racist, or behaving so toward me.


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10 Jan 2016, 9:25 am

^^^ Ok...I get it now. I missed that somewhere in this thread. And, yes, that was wrong. Good for you to stick up for yourself too. If it makes you feel any better I get that too here in America. Usually it's along the vein of "You're too smart, you know better than that." Never quite that blunt though when dealing with someone else of a different race though......And, I've lived a few places where I'm the minority.
I really don't know what would happen if I got confronted that blatantly though. I fear I would get confrontational about it as it would smack me in the face to hear that crap from somebody.


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10 Jan 2016, 9:43 am

http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=303257
Just in case you're that bored you're interested in the whole stupid scenario. :wink:
As to this thread, though - It actually didn't occur to me at all at the time, because I didn't realise he was stereotyping me based on the groups he perceived me to be part of - white, "native" born, and I assume from his wording, middle class (though that's laughable). It was a few hours later that I thought "wait a sec!"
At the time I just perceived him being useless, ignorant, arrogant and rude, but not racist.


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10 Jan 2016, 9:48 am

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It was a few hours later that I thought "wait a sec!"
At the time I just perceived him being useless, ignorant, arrogant and rude, but not racist.
I totally get that. I had a similar situation (Not as racist though...I hope not...It was a Chinese Psychologist) where I was asked really stupid questions and heard some really stupid things from a professional person. It took me a few hours to replay the situation and fully comprehend what an ass that person is. For me it's a perception and then review issue. I don't perceive things at the time that become aware of them as I review things.

The stupidest question: "Why weren't you diagnosed as a child?"

Seriously? I'm 55. There was no diagnosis other than 'problem child' when I was a kid.


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12 Feb 2016, 9:41 am

Yes i hate my own 100 percent and i dont i'm black and there is a good reason for it and i even hate my own mom because shes a fat black gorilla who never stops listening to my aunt and doesn't stop suppoting president obama and who hates white people if they are hippies i don't like whites who act like them(wiggers) who say the n-word they dont seem to understand how to behave in society when it comes to being public or how to treat people fairly i also hate it when they threaten to kill or beat up poor incident people they hardly know for no reason if it's one glare at them and i also hate it when black guys say mean things to you and threaten to kill you just because you're a kind hearted person and never apologize for it like shut up your ugly as s.h.i.t. mock any word you say yell at you your hair is dirty or you sound too white to be black and you dont even look like it r n b and hip hop music is a huge reason why i hate my race and my thick coarse hair my light brown skin my big breasts i wish i reddish blonde hair and green eyes and i also wish i was naturally skinny and very wavy hair and had a flat butt so some more white guys can hit on me without calling me ugly or obese i also like asian guys and they never hated on me sometimes i wish i was like chinese or korean i love the almond shaped brown eyes and silky black hair they have and also the traditional clothing they wear as well having black skin is a curse i look very brown like a Mexican and get mistaken for one all the time it's super annoying and it also a curse i think white skin and hair texture is healthy easier to comb it out after showering and when its bed time it's all her fault for giving birth to me i wish i was never African-American period and i can't stand eminem he's a god damn joke :cry:



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12 Feb 2016, 10:02 am

Pretty much not happy with the human race.....

Does that count?


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Yes i hate my own 100 percent and i dont i'm black and there is a good reason for it and i even hate my own mom because shes a fat black gorilla who never stops listening to my aunt and doesn't stop suppoting president obama and who hates white people if they are hippies i don't like whites who act like them(wiggers) who say the n-word they dont seem to understand how to behave in society when it comes to being public or how to treat people fairly i also hate it when they threaten to kill or beat up poor incident people they hardly know for no reason if it's one glare at them and i also hate it when black guys say mean things to you and threaten to kill you just because you're a kind hearted person and never apologize for it like shut up your ugly as s.h.i.t. mock any word you say yell at you your hair is dirty or you sound too white to be black and you dont even look like it r n b and hip hop music is a huge reason why i hate my race and my thick coarse hair my light brown skin my big breasts i wish i reddish blonde hair and green eyes and i also wish i was naturally skinny and very wavy hair and had a flat butt so some more white guys can hit on me without calling me ugly or obese i also like asian guys and they never hated on me sometimes i wish i was like chinese or korean i love the almond shaped brown eyes and silky black hair they have and also the traditional clothing they wear as well having black skin is a curse i look very brown like a Mexican and get mistaken for one all the time it's super annoying and it also a curse i think white skin and hair texture is healthy easier to comb it out after showering and when its bed time it's all her fault for giving birth to me i wish i was never African-American period and i can't stand eminem he's a god damn joke :cry:


A god damn mess.


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12 Feb 2016, 6:33 pm

I hope that other post was a troll post, and not a real person hating on herself and her race.