Why are so many Aspies on here getting disablility income?

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Dw A Mom some of what you said are just lame excuses. You cannot deny someone a job just because you have a gut instinct they might go "ballistic on you". THAT is discrimination! You really have no idea who will flip out and anyone can flip out under the right circumstance.
PLEASE do not use the flipping out excuse with me. No offense, but it's just a cop out, an excuse not to hire someone based on personal reasons and that is DISCRIMINATION. That is what discrimating is and employers are not legally allowed to do it. (even though they do it anyway it's still against the law). The person who shows up with the driver's license and the Social Security card and a back ground check if needed is the one who should get the entry level retail job. There is no reason to turn someone down. You should not be allowed to turn someone down because they "look slow" (because there is really no way of knowing if someone is actually slow based on how they look and plenty of bright looking people are extremely dull and slow) or because you don't like something about them or the ten million other personal reasons people have. The employee is not there to be your buddy, to be liked by you, whatever. The employee is there to do a job and earn a living and employers need to realize that is the number one reason an employee is there, to do a job.

Furthermore I have no criminal record that isn't the issue. No offense, DW A Mom, but you present yourself as the presumptuous, discrimatory type of person (in this forum) that makes it tough for certain people (like myself) to find work and earn a living. Could you do us a favor and not put yourself in the position of hiring if you are going to be that biased and subjective?

Oh and one more thing: By writing this I am proving to you, showing you, yes I am indeed very bright. That is not my issue. My issue is getting others to see how bright I am. They look at me they think "she is slow, she looks ret*d". Laugh all you want but it is a serious problem and I am not trolling. I am being serious, imagine if you had this problem, were brighter than the average person but no one could tell by looking at you?

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I can understand why someone with AS could end up on disability. I have a friend who is having a lot of issue. It's not that she's lazy, it's just that she is so mentally overwhelmed that sometimes getting dressed and putting on shoes is simply too much. I personally have only been that overwhelmed on a few occasions, but I imagine is it is something that happens frequently then it is a huge issue.

Working in any public service job is awful. I work part-time in a bookstore and cafe, and I always feel exhausted after I get off work.

Indeed.

Aspiartist, please refrain from personal attacks.

Thank you, she started up with me last night after I tried exposing what the OP has been up to. But I didn't want to fight with her so I backed down, I am glad you said something.

Ana, something to consider is that when all factors are equal, it is still individual discretion that makes the decisions. In Arizona, the laws favor the employer in this matter. An employee cannot be discriminated against on the basis of gender, age, orientation, etc - there are several specifically protected areas - but beyond that, the employer has the ability to determine who is best qualified to work for them... everyone is entitled to opportunity, but it is those best suited for each situation who should succeed, to my mind. There have been times when, given the situations a person would be in, I have to decide whether someone is capable of handling something. For me, that is a rather traumatic process, as I have a hard time coping in many of those myself. The employee is there to do a job - to the specification of the employer. There must be a balance between the needs of each, a concern for both rights and responsibilities, otherwise things will not be productive or effective. For example, as an employer, my number one reason for having an employee isn't to pay them - it is to get the best job done. It makes no sense for me to hire the first person who shows up with the requisite paperwork. Would you consider the wider aspect of what you're saying, and perhaps be a little less judgmental in your response?


M.

Okay, I'll do my best.

Mak I read what you're saying, you have to keep in mind I am talking entry level here...do you not agree that everyone should have a chance to get an entry level job? Do you agree that everyone needs to earn a living. Mak let me ask you: what should someone do? What if everyone decides not to hire someone based on the fact they just don't like that person or don't think that person can do the job?

None of the tax payers want to dole out free money for these non hires, right? You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You are going to pay one way or the other, somehow. So, do you want to pay them to work for you or pay them to sit at home doing internets all day? Choice is yours.

You were making slurs at me and you know it. Maybe you could tell me what I said that would cause you to want to laugh at me with someone esle, for example, rather than use passive-aggressive tactics to exercise your dirty work?

I own an antique store. Not everyone who comes in the door, despite having their information and papers, is capable of doing this job - despite it is an entry level, minimum wage, retail position. Nothing fantastic about it. But there are specific things I need someone to do. I cannot create a job for everyone, nor can I afford to hire everyone who wants a job. I have to work another job in order to support myself - self employed twice over. Everyone needs to earn a living - and it is up to each of us to find a way to do so. I am still having a hard time at times staying with it, keeping organized. I'm all for assistance for those in need; I do not agree with support without effort. Each person has something to contribute, and should be responsible for their contribution - however it may be expressed.

I don't particularly find the italicized 'choice' comment amusing or persuasive. Neither option you describe is what I find acceptable - we all have responsibilities, albeit some exhibited much differently than others. What should someone do? Try something different. Start their own niche, a product, a service, writing, something. I've seen incredibly eloquent words emerge on this site, keen insights that startled me, and some remarkable ideas. While I find the support of others ideal, one cannot expect or rely on others to provide everything for you without effort.


M.

On another site I'm on, a person with her own business was talking about how her and her husband had narrowed their decision down to 2 potential hirees.

One had excellent people skills, but no experience.

One had excellent experience and the best education for the position but was a bore.

They were leaning to the first person because they didn't want to have to work around a dull person all day. No idea who she eventually picked but I did point out to her how ridiculous it was to even consider hiring someone without experience, who might just be a great BSer and had no proof that he could do any of the work when someone who they knew for a fact could help advance their company also applied

While I agree with your concern, it is still up to their determination of who will best help them in their business. We can't decide for them. In that instance, the person in most need of the job (in terms of experience) got it. Other times, the greener option will have to keep trying. There is no way to conduct hiring in a way to please the employee.


M.

And we are back to square one...

Would you elaborate?


M.

I do not care for flowers either, but it certainly is a nice piece of work. The colours are gorgeous and the composition (with the moon and the leaves lifted by the breeze) is very nice too.

I'm surprised it's stained glass. It must look awesome in real life.

Thanks pandd, I appreciate your compliment very much.

I know it's a serious issue and I admitted in my first post that I was in that position (to make hiring choices) way back before I (or most anyone) had a clue about AS. But the reality is harsh and that is that it was my job to hire people that were going to succeed in the company which, in essence, meant that my bosses were going to get along with them, and that IS, like it or not, based on personality, instinct, and many other things.

I am NOT trying to say this all is "right." I am saying that it "is." If you want to succeed in the "system," you have to understand it, and not just hold a grudge against it.

A retail job, as you refer to, is about a lot more than working than the cash register. It's about making the customers feel welcome. We had a toy store here that most of my friends refused to shop at because they found the owner rude. Well, he did lack a bit in the personality department, but he sure knew his toys, and I was quite loyal to him, but it did get old to hear him unload some of his grudges. Sorry, retail is supposed to be a pleasant, service oriented place. Someone who really knows how kids play might get away with being less than smiling for a customer like me that really appreciated the knowledge, but my friends all went elsewhere. Discrimination? No. It's called "I don't need that kind of stress in my day, I want to shop where the owner is nice to me." Given that shop owners KNOW that customers have to have a positive experience or they will not return, it is simple business survival to put behind the cash register the person who they think will best provide that positive experience. If that isn't your skill, you need to find a different career. I did, as I noted before. I could never get hired behind a cash register, either. But I make a really solid tax accountant.

I can totally understand that this is a sensitive issue for you and feels very unfair. But I'm telling like it's been in my experience because that information may help you (or others reading here) CHANGE it. You cannot change what you refuse to understand, and insist on labeling with negative terms. Blaming me won't change anything, but if it makes you feel better, go at it I didn't write those "rules," I just learned them so that I could get a job, keep a job, and survive.