Is autism becoming infantalised?

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You are aware of how the Nazi's treated disabled people right? They murdered them in huge numbers.

Please keep the thread on track. This keeps taking an anti government Tory/Republican stance when for the most part it's not even political and any comparisons to the Nazi's are so wildly outlandish that they'll just be ignored.

As for the scrounger rhetoric, that's the complete opposite of what I want. I don't want autism to be associated nauseating levels of preferential treatment at the expense of many others. A high functioning aspie who hates loud nouses should never be going to a theater for example yet alone expect 1000 people to stop clapping just for them but that is what's increasingly being advocated for. I'm all in favour of treating others well and to me, that just sounds like obnoxious behaviour and will only turn the general public against us.

Obviously I don't want the general public to look down on people with autism. That's why I dislike so much of the autism awareness that's going on right now.

It's because what you're saying has (at best) Tory/US Republicanism built into the subtext.

People can see through it.

You are aware humans evolve.

Racism didn't stop when slavery ended or segregation. Why should Nazism be any different. Just because they are not being rounded up and killed anymore doesn't mean Nazism doesn't exist anymore. It's evolved in other ways now like racism has.

Even firemonkey has pointed out how your idea has led to disabled people being assaulted and attacked and I pointed out it has lead to them being killed as well because they were found fit to work. I think even Toughdiamond has pointed that out as well. This is another type of Nazism because it's their way of getting rid of any people they find a burden by finding them fit to work and saying this is their way of weeding out moochers.

The context of the topic is are people with autism being over accommodated for to the point where it harms them. The thread then went on to me questioning if we let our anxiety have to much control over our us to the point where we don't make the the correct long term decisions with how we progress with our lives and in my view the only way of overcoming it is to just stick out big new changes until it's discovered to be a yay or nay.

Can you tell me where on earth the Nazi's come into that?

Just from comments I read from firemonkey and toughdiamond and I was reminded of what DWP did in the UK by finding many of the disabled people fit to work and many of them died from it. If you cannot see how this is their way of getting rid of disabled people, either you are naive or in denial here. Sure they are not going to round them up and gas them or go to hospitals and gas them so they have evolved to doing it differently but this time doing what the DWP is doing.

I hate the DWP and always have. My step father was deemed fit to work and stripped of his benefits when he was in a coma that lead to multiple organ failure and his eventual death after over 90 days in intensive care.

It's just think that in this day and age comparisons to the Nazi's are thrown around to often without understanding the true level of atrocities they committed.

I am happy to hear you understand even if we may not agree on calling this Nazism.

I wasn't literally saying you were a Nazi (in case you were thinking that) and part of being on here is when you start threads, topics will often drift way from the OP and move onto other topics in the thread. You get used to it.

Older Aspies might be expected to seem better adjusted on account of their years of experience in the development of coping strategies. It's not safe to draw the conclusions you have and to use them to use force on people.

We clearly have very different ideologies. You have your American dream and your wish to push people around and burst-test the disabled. You approve of millionaires (and thus inequality), fancy cars. The West has been drifting to the right for decades but you're saying we're all heading further into the classic left-wing system of adjusting for the disabled. I don't think we're ever going to agree.

There's two options for me (1) He's not able to see he's doing so. (2) He knows what he's doing. Knows it's likely to upset people, but doesn't give a damn.

That's OK. There is actually a somewhat humorous observation called Godwin's law that predicts all this and Iv'e noticed is pretty much everywhere over the years so it's not as big of a deal as some might think I assume it is. I understand that this was going to be a heated topic so it's no worries at all.

Quite the contrary. It's little to do with politics. When people hear the word Autism, I want them to think of people who despite being dealt a bad hand in life, try their best to overcome the obstacles they face be it isolation, unemployment, travelling to a new country or even travelling alone by sticking out new challenges for days, weeks, even months to see if they can despite their autism telling them retreat to their familiar norms. It doesn't matter if they fail or succeed but it's the fact they ignored their reservations and still tried. (or in my ideal world, thrown in at the deep end for a period of time because I can't think of many autistics that do things that scare them voluntarily). For some aspies it might be a the push that changes their life for the better, for others it might just clarify their limits. There is no right or wrong.

On the other end I see a society where grossly excessive measures are put in place to protect us from the inevitable stressors of becoming fully fledged adults. Measures that effect far more people for the worse than the minority they help. Measures that if taken too far will extend to us being discouraged from doing anything and everything that might stress us regardless of how bad the long term effects will be. Measures that only reinforce a stigma that we are babies an adult bodies and will increase the prejudiced we face behind closed doors.

It's a society that I never want to see becoming the norm. Many aspies just want to be treated as the adults they are and don't want NT's in particular to stop clapping in theatres, watch every word they say and build safe rooms in every available public building. To me that's just a no. Reasonable measures can be taken to help people who might struggle. Warnings for lights and loud noises or even just dimming them if they're annoying (nobody likes annoying lights anyway). That's fine by me. But when it starts to effect what others have to say or do, that's when I have problems with it and that's when I feel the real danger of turning the general public against us starts to become a reality.

You don't see it as political.

It's small p political.

Labour party might not be any better at this (in recent years) but that doesn't mean it's not political.

My ideal society would be one where we accommodate everyone and in which 'oh they need a bit of help' wouldn't equate to 'so I'm annoyed with them'.

Traditional British society wouldn't have yelling and wooping being the equivalent of 'jazz hands'. It would have polite clapping. We were once a reserved society and it wouldn't hurt NTs to go back to that.

Look at the way vegetarians (a choice) have been normalised in recent decades. Nowadays it's no big deal. Just don't eat meat. Cafes cater pretty easily to that, some even cater to vegans. Society evolves. 'Apolitical' people become more tolerant of differences. That is the world I want to see, and the society I'm glad I'm part of irl.

I'd rather live in a world where nobody was in pain than a world where everyone has sports cars.

I'm pretty sure it's 1.

Certain hobbies lend themselves to certain ways of thinking esp in the young/autistic. It's not about trying to be political, it's just birds of a feather etc. It's not even necessarily big p Political, ie party politics.

I should know lol I'm an anti-imperialist leftie

But the problem is that we can't accommodate for everyone. That video was a very good example of trying to accommodate for too many stressors at once. It just can't work in practice because there are far to many and trying to just results in preventing other people from doing what they like to accommodate for a small number of people. All it does is make others assume that we're just annoying (and by that point they're absolutely right)

It just isn't OK with me.

If you're regularly getting compared to a Nazi, I'd stop and think about how you're coming across.

It doesn't happen to me. I doubt it happens to many people.

No. You just have no idea who the Nazis are.