Why are so many Aspies on here getting disablility income?

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Mak, it has nothing to do with pleasing the employee. We are talking about hiring people so they can earn a living so you don't have to support them in some other way. Isn't everyone pretty much the same? No one is perfect, people aren't robots. Just because someone has "experience" doesn't mean they make a good employee.

I wonder if perhaps part of getting jobs for the disabled people who can work but don't get hired is making it easier for employers to find them. Employers are obviously profit-motivated; and if they think somebody is going to be unproductive, they won't hire them. The trouble there is that many people only LOOK like they can't do the job, when in actuality they'd be good employees, either with or without affordable accommodation. If you could match people with jobs they could do, and assure the employer that their investment in that person made sense, I think you could get a lot more of us employed. That wouldn't help people who are unable to do any jobs; but for the rest--the people who could do well at a specific subset of positions--it would be a godsend. Not to mention it would be a benefit to the employer, who doesn't have to worry about taking so many risks in hiring someone.

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Thank you for phrasing this so clearly.

DW A Mom, I have to laugh. I just had to laugh when I read getting along with the costumers because I have seen some really horrible examples.

But you know, these "horrible examples" are people just like me, just like you, just like everybody else who need to earn their living. People who do not have the government to support them. So you know, sometimes you just have to shrug off things like "bad costumer service". Nothing is ever perfect. People are not robots. Employees are never perfect no matter what the diagnosis, DW a Mom.

Actually I wasnt assuming anything, I more of meant it in a joking maner and I knew you weren't knocking down street musicians. I just saw that and felt like giving an example of how street musicians can make good money. Just came out of my mouth weird i guess XD.

Sorry I overreacted xD lol

No, everyone is not pretty much the same. We are bundles of strengths and weaknesses and are totally, completely different from each other.

Each job takes different skills to be done successfully, and each person will approach the process differently.

Then there is the layer of, even if that person's approach is effective and competent, does it merge well with the approaches of the others already in the environment?

Even at the lowest skill job, these issues can come up.

I am technically extremely good at what I do, but I am a bit of a perfectionist, I rarely hold my tongue, my work speed isn't that fast, and I can have a focus problem (witness being here instead of working on my deadline, but at least no one is paying me to goof off - I am paid for actual hours of production, not for filling a chair). It would be easy to say that I have 20 + years of experience, fantastic technical knowledge and thus any CPA firm should be glad to hire me, but I know it isn't that simple. Some firms work on a high volume of small returns and my skills are not well suited to that. Others like a dictatorial approach that will lead to personality clashes. I've been around the block enough to know all this, to interview employers as much as they interview me, to be sure we will have a relationship of mutual respect and profit.

You may say that doesn't apply to all these other jobs you are thinking of, but it DOES. Succeeding in a job is a lot more about having the "right" job for YOU, as a unique individual, than it is about a few lines of traits on paper.

I honestly believe that for every person, there is a job they can excel at. But, it's tricky. For some that match is much harder to find. And, for some, it will be discovered that the number of people matching job far exceeds the number of people needed to do it. This sort of disconnect happens often in society as industries, preferences, and needs shirt and, yes, real lives and real people are unfortunately caught in the shifting gears and left without a job.

It would be great to live in a society where it all just perfectly falls into place. But I cannot see how that will ever be possible. EVERYONE would like to have EVERYONE working where they can contribute in some positive way. But those who study sociology and economics will all tell you it simply is not possible.

Again, I meant "entry level", people getting their foot in the door. Of course if you have "skills" you aren't going for an entry level job, are you? If I have office skills and can type 150 wpm why do I need my foot in the door at some entry level job at wal mart? (as a stocker or cashier)

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I agree with you 100%.

There needs to be a better way to have need meet employee.

Hey, I can agree with everything you wrote, I think.

But not every customer with a horrible experience will be very understanding. Many go to the owners and managers and complain. If that happens often enough, someone gets fired.

Much nicer to shrug it off, I think. Wish more people could do that.

Okay while we are on that subject what about high turnover? Some companies have a high turn over rate and seem to nuture that type of workplace. A lot of times, seems like the employee is at greater "risk" than employer. I good place to work is indeed a rare find.

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Agreed - I hire people based on their ability to do the job needed, not how they did elsewhere. I guess I'm not clear - what are you expecting? That I hire more people than I am able so that the business fails and everyone needs financial support? When possible, I endeavor to help others and get people involved... but it seems like you feel that there should be a job provided for you, period - and I can't agree with that. It is each person's responsibility to find a place, not others... it isn't easy, and it isn't guaranteed... which is why, as a person, I feel it is important to help each other. But in business, I don't understand what your idea of appropriate is.


M.

You do realize that "entry level," "foot in the door" implies that the person can and will move up within the company from that first job? So an employer is going to look for the intangibles making it more likely they might do so, will they not?

If a person has the ability to move up then, yes, but nothing wrong with staying with the same job indefinitely if one is happy and is good at it, just getting the appropriate wages. By foot in the door I mean a "job"...any job or should I say respectable legal job.

I know the more skills the better the chances but lets say someone without very good typing skills (decent but there are those who are faster) and just kind of slow looking, with good hygiene but looks slow. This is the type of person that will have trouble finding work. I speak from my own experience. This is the type of person I wish places like Wal Mart or Super Target or any retail outlet would hire, that is, if they wanted to work there.

By "foot in the door" I mean give someone a chance.

However, there are more people than jobs in most cases - so how do you propose to handle that problem?


M.

That is if they want to work in retail in the first place:(
Thinking about these types of scenerios cause me bewilderment. I project what I think I want onto others.

I need a job with a bunch of eccentric weirdo-coworkers.