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23 Jul 2010, 9:38 am

I know it's fascinating, but thinking about it last night, it's probably not best to go on speculating about the girl's prognosis.

Like I've said, I think Sean is being truthful here...
But I still don't know about the girl's story. However I don't know of any ethical way to prove her case as all we can go on is whatever she tells Sean.

It does appear too good to be true, it does appear too coincidental... but again, the charity idea wasn't made by him nor her. And what kind of scam is getting someone to come to you about anyway?

At this point to me, the only way to go is forward and whatever happens, happens. Todesking brought up some good red flags to look out for though and I think it should be heeded. The truth will be apparent once Sean reaches her.

Sean, is this girl aware of Wrongplanet? Just wondering, as an aspie, has she ever expressed any interest in joining us here?


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23 Jul 2010, 10:40 am

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mehhh, some people on here already have my address. A few opted to send via postal service. I only gave it out to members i trusted though. So if i were a scammer i guess that would make me the most careless scammer in the world :roll: .
Taupey told me about P.O. boxes though & i'm thinking i'll look into those.
Safer on the off-chance.


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for the record though, i've yet to directly ask anyone for anything. All contributions thus far have been offered, not asked :? .
I didn't even start all this. Not to say i don't appreciate it though. This all originated and spun off from my thread in the haven. It was in fact other members who broached the subject of donation initially. I'm just glad for what little help people have felt inclined to offer.


Sean, I never said you were a scammer but I do think you are being scammed. This type of scam depends on hooking someone who is connected to a website or special intrest group. If a new poster came here we would all be laughing at that person if they asked for the money. If someone with over 2000 posts asked we would listen and be concernd since we a sort of know that person and are comfortable with that person. I told you what to watch out for so keep your eyes out stay alert think with your brain and not your heart. If it is a scam you could be implicated as a co-conspritor for helping that person raise money. You might not be deaclared guilty but they will run you through the wringer to prove you are an innocent victim involving lawyers and your time wasted in the courts proving your innocense.


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23 Jul 2010, 11:21 am

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anyway, i will give you up to $250, so tell me when you have the rest of the money and i will give it to you. any more than $250 and i need convincing evidence.
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$250 8O you mean Autralian Dollars or Japanese Yen?????
$250 aud.

he needs to go and see what is happening. if it is a scam then so be it. he is upset and i will give him $250 to see whether it is true or false. if it is false, then he will learn a good lesson. if it is true then he will be able to do what is needed for her and him and that is to give her his love to strengthen her fight.

i have enough money that i would not consider agonizing over the details. any more than 250 and i would be annoyed that i gave it if it was a scam.

i did a vector analysis on the 2 pics of her face and they are the same.

sometimes it is better to err on the side of belief than on the side of caution.

i know that many people have not much money, but i do have money, and i do not have any pressing need for all of it, so if i just sit on a pile of it and watch someone else fail to go to someone they love before they die because i can not spare a little, then i am not happy with how i am.

i will never get scammed into bodgy investments and suchlike (emu oil type scams), but this situation has an urgency which i would prefer to overlook all the hesitation inducing analysis of, and just give him some money to get there, and if he reports it was a scam, then he and me and all that contributed will have paid for a valuable lesson and be wiser in the future.

Wow! 8O :D :lol

I have been wishing that I had enough "spare" money to do something like this, simply to "find out" what the truth is, like forking out to see someone's cards in a poker game! :lol ( and incidentally help someone if the story turns out to be true ).

If enough people chip in enough money to make the plane trip happen, and not just to swell sean's bank account because there isn't enough for a plane ticket, then I am willing to put 10$ on the table vie PayPal ( I haven't got the sort of money that b9 seems to have! ), but then sean *has* to get on the plane and go and see her! :lol No "not being able to do it after all", ... which is where it gets tricky.
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23 Jul 2010, 12:56 pm

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it depends largely on the doubling time of the cancer.

each cells splits into 2 cells in an amount of time that is the doubling period.
i am not using any reference for what i say because i am about to go to bed.

doubling time ranges from 20 to 60 days i think (from somewhere in my memory). cancer is an unrestrained doubling of genetically unrecognized imposter cells. the body is fooled into providing nutrition for a cancer because it sees the cancer as a vital process.

if the cancer metastasizes, then small bits of it break off and travel through both the veinous/arterial system as well as the lymphatic system, and those microscopic bits eventually lodge into other areas where they can not fit through like tiny capillaries in the liver and lung and pancreas etc. when they lodge there, they bind with the adjacent tissue and receive nutrition that the body gladly provides. they double in number in a certain amount of time, and continue to double in size unrestrained in every successive period of that length.

cancer is exponential in that it goes from 1 cell to 2 cells to 4 cells to 8 cells etc until it becomes invasive of the area that it occupies to the degree that it is catastrophically destructive.

when a cancer is the size of a baseball, then it will be the size of 2 baseballs in whatever its doubling time is.

primary pancreatic cancer is the most aggressive i think because it doubles in only a few weeks.
breast cancer is also very aggressive.
gastric cancer i think takes about 1 month to double in size.

the risk of metastasis is increased due to the action of the churning of the stomach, and if 100 tiny bits of cancer break off and get lodged in 100 other places in the body, then it becomes like a wildfire that is unstoppable.

anyway, my post is entirely unresearched and i am tired and maybe i should research it before i say it but i am too tired to determine.

anyway, i will give you up to $250, so tell me when you have the rest of the money and i will give it to you.
any more than $250 and i need convincing evidence. i am so tired that i am probably talking rubbish so i am going to flop off to bed.
interesting info, also quite a bit easier to understand. Coincidentally, my grandma died of pancreatic cancer maybe 5 years ago & so i know how true it is that that type of cancer can act pretty fast. Although i think she actually lasted about 6 months longer than the doctors thought she would. But it's also a really painful type of cancer i guess, because towards the end she was apparently constantly doped up on meds :? .

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23 Jul 2010, 1:02 pm

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Seanmw wrote:
mehhh, some people on here already have my address. A few opted to send via postal service. I only gave it out to members i trusted though. So if i were a scammer i guess that would make me the most careless scammer in the world :roll: .
Taupey told me about P.O. boxes though & i'm thinking i'll look into those.
Safer on the off-chance.


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for the record though, i've yet to directly ask anyone for anything. All contributions thus far have been offered, not asked :? .
I didn't even start all this. Not to say i don't appreciate it though. This all originated and spun off from my thread in the haven. It was in fact other members who broached the subject of donation initially. I'm just glad for what little help people have felt inclined to offer.


Sean, I never said you were a scammer but I do think you are being scammed. This type of scam depends on hooking someone who is connected to a website or special intrest group. If a new poster came here we would all be laughing at that person if they asked for the money. If someone with over 2000 posts asked we would listen and be concernd since we a sort of know that person and are comfortable with that person. I told you what to watch out for so keep your eyes out stay alert think with your brain and not your heart. If it is a scam you could be implicated as a co-conspritor for helping that person raise money. You might not be deaclared guilty but they will run you through the wringer to prove you are an innocent victim involving lawyers and your time wasted in the courts proving your innocense.
don't worry, i usually think with both


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23 Jul 2010, 3:08 pm

I think, tell us if do manage to get enough money to buy that plane ticket. Just don't post the amount you're making, you don't need to. I'm really sorry to here about your girlfriend.



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23 Jul 2010, 6:32 pm

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I think, tell us if do manage to get enough money to buy that plane ticket. Just don't post the amount you're making, you don't need to. I'm really sorry to here about your girlfriend.
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23 Jul 2010, 8:13 pm

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Jono wrote:
I think, tell us if do manage to get enough money to buy that plane ticket. Just don't post the amount you're making, you don't need to. I'm really sorry to here about your girlfriend.
alright
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23 Jul 2010, 10:26 pm

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After thinking about it its probably not a good idea to make public how much has been raised... It might give real scammers an idea.
I've seen pictures of the girl and i'm pretty sure they are the same person now. He says hes seen her on video so I guess i'll just have to trust his judgement.

If she is serious about meeting up, like someone said she could help out with whats going on in here (15 pages of arguing whether she really has cancer?)
yeah, i've been trying to get ahold of her more lately on the phone & such to find out more info. But she doesn't seem to know much herself as far as details. Her mom seems to be sort of handling her situation for her and prolly knows more than she does. In any case, should have more info by or soon after the surgery date i'd imagine.


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24 Jul 2010, 12:03 am

*sigh*


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24 Jul 2010, 1:58 am

*throws in one more hopeful effort to keep the thread from sinking into the abyss before turning in for the night* :heart:


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24 Jul 2010, 3:12 am

More data! That's what's needed.

But perhaps need to wait until after whatever this surgery is supposed to be about on the 29th, ( biopsy? ) when your girlfriend should, if the story is true, know a great deal more what the problem is, the medications/treatments that she will be receiving, and the prognosis.

If the story is true, and even if her mother is handling most of the paperwork, your girlfriend is 20, and should be given full information about her diagnosis, the treatments, prognosis etc.
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24 Jul 2010, 7:16 am

Seanmw wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
After thinking about it its probably not a good idea to make public how much has been raised... It might give real scammers an idea.
I've seen pictures of the girl and i'm pretty sure they are the same person now. He says hes seen her on video so I guess i'll just have to trust his judgement.

If she is serious about meeting up, like someone said she could help out with whats going on in here (15 pages of arguing whether she really has cancer?)
yeah, i've been trying to get ahold of her more lately on the phone & such to find out more info. But she doesn't seem to know much herself as far as details. Her mom seems to be sort of handling her situation for her and prolly knows more than she does. In any case, should have more info by or soon after the surgery date i'd imagine.


it's interesting, she's an adult, and I believe the doctor would explain everything to her and her mother. I also believe the doctor will make sure that she understand everything about her condition before they can proceed the surgery and any other treatment. I believe she is the one who read through every detail and sign the surgery consent form, not her mother.

There's so many things in the story that just doesn't make sense. One thing doesn't make sense is ok, two is ok, but three... and this one... it's just... unbelievable...

what info they will have after surgery. They will take a biopsy of the tumour and look at it under the microscope.

what info they need to have before the surgery. the related symptoms, the MRI or other types of scan, the condition of her body including white blood cell count, red blood cell count, and many other more complex but essentials to know before having a surgery. If she has cancer, there must be elevated white blood cell level. other things in her body will change as well. They do not diagnose cancer using MRI (or other scans) and presenting symptoms alone. They must have done blood test and other tests on her. Cancer cannot be diagnosed in one day becoz the result of those test do not come out in one day unless you're sitting in emergency department. You do not go see a specialist and get your MRI straight away. You see a specialist, he refer you to MRI, you make an appt with MRI, do the MRI, and go back to see the specialist another day, unless you're sitting in emergency looking like you're going to die soon, then they will do everything on you straight away.

I hate to say it, but for the first time, my brain tells me, in certain, there are things that are not true here. And I hate that feeling, because I believed it so much in the beginning.


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24 Jul 2010, 7:25 am

I try to convince myself to trust it so much along the way. I've just gone to the point where I cannot convince myself anymore.

It is not a good feeling.


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24 Jul 2010, 4:06 pm

I'm uncomfortable with it also. There is a lot of information missing from the picture. :shrug:



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24 Jul 2010, 5:09 pm

I'm confused reading this thread. Is it medical expenses that you're raising money for or a plane ticket? The price of a plane ticket hardly seems worth the effort of scamming if that's all it is.