Are Autistic Men More Likely to be Misogynistic?

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Autistic Men are More Misogynistic than Average?
I'm a male and I agree. 18%  18%  [ 28 ]
I'm a male and I disagree. 55%  55%  [ 86 ]
I'm a female and I agree. 12%  12%  [ 19 ]
I'm a female and I disagree. 15%  15%  [ 23 ]
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07 Mar 2015, 12:40 am

I'm Transgendered and I disagree.


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07 Mar 2015, 2:14 am

smudge wrote:
^ And they are black and white thinkers, as are the ASD women.


True.



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07 Mar 2015, 9:07 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
What is misogyny, eggsacly?
Do misogynistic men hate women?
If I hated men, what would be my thought process about them?


Misogyny = hatred of women
Misandry = hatred of men
Misanthropy = hatred of people in general


I have an ex-uncle (my immediate family no longer claims him - long story) that is likely on the spectrum and definitely has misanthropy. He has constantly shown anger towards others throughout his lifetime, especially towards his other family members, with the exception of his mother and father (both now deceased). My mother can remember that he was always this way, clear back to the day he was born. He was always verbally abusive to both her and my aunt. I have had to "warn" him to stay completely away from my family or I will defend them as necessary ( :skull: ).

As for me, I have no general hatred towards either sex. My hatred is centered specifically upon those individuals who bully others, especially those who get pleasure out of it (like my ex-uncle does). I do however have a trust issue with other humans, due in large part from past abuse (another long story). That is something that I may never overcome in my lifetime, no matter how hard I try. Dating is an impossible task for me, as I do not have the social skills necessary and I would rather just be alone than face rejection again. I realized that my appearance was not attractive to others a very long time ago.



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07 Mar 2015, 9:33 am

Well, I was thinking this thread would drop of the radar when it was moved from L&D to General, but that seems not to be the case.
It was spawned from a bad reaction on my part to a thread which turned out to be more of a mental health issue than one of misogyny.
I still don't know the answer to the title question, but the varied responses are illuminating. Obviously misogyny is not intrinsic to autism. But black and white thinking and awkwardness, etc might make someone more susceptible. But it would come down to the individual's response to these challnges whether they embrace misogyny or not.



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07 Mar 2015, 10:49 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Well, I was thinking this thread would drop of the radar when it was moved from L&D to General, but that seems not to be the case.
It was spawned from a bad reaction on my part to a thread which turned out to be more of a mental health issue than one of misogyny.
I still don't know the answer to the title question, but the varied responses are illuminating. Obviously misogyny is not intrinsic to autism. But black and white thinking and awkwardness, etc might make someone more susceptible. But it would come down to the individual's response to these challnges whether they embrace misogyny or not.


Well the clearest answer is that some autistic men are genuinely misogynist. Many absorb misogynist beliefs without consciously intending to hate women (but so do many women) because they are literally everywhere in media and society.



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08 Mar 2015, 1:49 am

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Here's a great article on labeling women 'crazy b-s' and why it's misogynist behaviour. It's also mighty ableist to label anybody crazy, but since we're talking about misogyny and ASD, I thought this might be useful to someone.

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2012/07/l ... azy/all/1/


Thank you for posting this.



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08 Mar 2015, 5:08 am

Well, I've put some thought into it, and I think autistic men are more likely to be misogynistic. We often have a harder time dealing with women than NT men do, and as a result, that results in many of us developing misogynistic attitudes. I'll admit, when I was younger I had a fairly xenophobic attitude (racist, sexist, homophobic, you get the picture), and it took me a long time to shake it off. Now, I notice when other people have these sort of attitudes, and it shocks me, but I still sort of understand why they feel that way. I'm not saying it's right, because it's not, but I can see why people feel that way.

I firmly believe that xenophobia in encoded in human nature, and that the more negative experiences one has with a certain group of people growing up, the more likely they are to experience those negative feelings. Autistics generally feel more rejection growing up and have more negative experiences with other people, therefore by this logic it's fair to say that autistic men are more likely to have misogynist attitudes. Now, women aren't at fault for this, human nature, combined with autism, is at fault here. I believe that autism has both positive and negative traits, and the difficulties with socialization, which cause rejection and breed xenophobic attitudes, are one of the negative traits.



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08 Mar 2015, 6:21 am

Xenophobia, to me , is caused by lack of actual, consistent contact with other ethnic groups.



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08 Mar 2015, 6:31 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Xenophobia, to me , is caused by lack of actual, consistent contact with other ethnic groups.


I meant xenophobia in the sense of hatred of others who aren't like yourself.



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08 Mar 2015, 6:43 am

Please forgive me: xenophobia is the fear of foreign/alien things or people specifically, especially people from foreign countries.

Language is dynamic, though, and perhaps you're reflecting a changed meaning of the term...to a more generalized suspicion of different ideas.



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11 Mar 2015, 7:33 pm

This is the internet, you can't even upload a pic to Imgur without people calling you fat and ugly. It really doesn't have anything to do with autism.



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12 Mar 2015, 11:42 am

I'm not sure if it has been said yet, but I'm going to say it.

I really don't think the issue is that autistic men have these certain features of belief over other men.

I think the real issue is that autistic men are much more likely to be openly blunt and honest about stating such beliefs or considerations, while NT men may be better at suppressing them or dressing them up so their statements seem much more "appropriate".


I think aspies tend to regurgitate information in often inappropriate ways, so naturally the judgments of observers will be more harsh.

Also, there is the very obvious alienation or "othering" between aspies and NTs, and this just gets further compounded by alienation (differences) between the sexes.
It also seems to me that aspie females have a little easier time with socialization and experience less rejection from the opposite sex than their male counterparts.



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12 Mar 2015, 11:49 am

olympiadis wrote:
It also seems to me that aspie females have a little easier time with socialization and experience less rejection from the opposite sex than their male counterparts.

Oh yeah, it's all cake and flowers over here. :roll:



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12 Mar 2015, 12:34 pm

androbot01 wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
It also seems to me that aspie females have a little easier time with socialization and experience less rejection from the opposite sex than their male counterparts.

Oh yeah, it's all cake and flowers over here. :roll:


daisies and kittens here... :D

I do recognize that NT females can be especially vicious towards other females, and aspie females are often their targets.
But, that's a same-sex situation.

I could be wrong, but I think that the male rejection rate of aspie females is lower than the female rejection rate of aspie males.
Granted, the situation for either sex aspie has never been pretty.
The higher the incidence of something, like rejection, then the more people will generalize about it.
People will be people.

If you have only tried to pet five dogs in your life, but was bitten by all five, then the easy conclusion is to just hate dogs. It takes more thought and courage to know that all dogs will not bite you, or that you may have done something wrong to provoke the biting.



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12 Mar 2015, 6:11 pm

I'm too tired to read the whole thread ATM, but perhaps a mitigating factor is that, misogyny being a part of the culture, that people w/ASD will be less likely to buy into it by default (or even realize that it exists in culture (or that there is a culture, for that matter)).



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12 Mar 2015, 6:16 pm

In my personal experience, men with autism are far less likely to be misogynists and far more likely to avoid women altogether.