Self diagnosed people here don't have aspergers

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Sort of the same here. I'm HFA more than AS and yes I did accept being "semi-autistic" in my teens after comments made to me... and when I was confronted with autism on an ADHD forum, yes I said "Yeah OK" but it never really sank in... and when I was told by the neurologist assessing me that he thought I had an ASD I said "Sure, I always knew that". When he said "AS" on the other hand, I said "No way"... And I guess I was right because autism fits me a lot better...

You can't be too sure about that.

I wasn't "witchhunting NTs" as you put it, I was merely pointing out that I didn't believe this guy's claim to being an aspie. That does not equate to NT bashing.

I dont agree with you at all.
It sounds to me like you are saying that all undiagnosed people may not have AS and therefore they do not belong on this forum.
I apologize for making an assumption there that may not be correct but that is how I interpret what you have written.
I dont find it extremely important to have a piece of paper that says Im an Aspie on it ,however it would make things alot easier.
Unfortunately,I have just lately started to figure things out and at this point I dont even know where to go to get diagnosed,Im trying my best to find out.

For the past 10 years I have searched every possible disease or syndrome under the moon to figure things out and found nothing.
Unfortunately I never looked up AS because the thought of Autism to me seemed very unreal since I have met autistic people before and just felt different than them.The lack of knowledge about it basically made me quite dumn and blind to the fact that there are both low and high functioning Aspies and so on.

I have also been through all sort of tests to rule out basically everything else that I might have suspected.
I dont know if Im an Aspie or not,I just know that having found something that MIGHT be right and make sense makes me feel a whole lot better.
Coming here,reading and posting also makes me feel a lot better.
I scored 144 but if I had taken that test 10 years ago I can guarantee you that I would have scored a lot higher as many of the things asked about in the tests I had before but seemed to have learned how to control.

It feels like for the first time I have actually found a discussion forum where people dont annoy the heck out of me( excuse me) and where I dont get into heavy and dramatic discussions with people because I simply dont understand them and they dont understand me.
Up until I found this place I actually really seriously thought most people out there were just plain ignorant because they couldnt see my point of view and think on my level.

So,Im going to stick around and call myself and Aspie until a silly piece of paper tell me that Im not,
and YOU,should really take the time and listen to people's stories and what they have been through before making assumptions and blurting out posts similar to the one above.
Perhaps you dont realize what finding this place means to alot of people,but atleast give it a thought.

I hope I didnt offend anyone by writing this,its simply my opinion.

Patricia.

One thing I partially agree with shadexx (or whatever his name is) is that some "symptoms" can vary. I prefer to refer to them as characteristics instead of symptoms. There are soft characteristics, which can vary from person to person, and there are hard characteristics, which are constant throughout the spectrum. Any guy who can magically just learn the NT language at the drop of a dime because he reads an article obviously was NT to begin with. Being a bad socialiser (unless worked on for many of years) is definately a hard Aspergian characteristic, unless of coarse the person in question is female. Females get socialised alot easier because of their gender status.
I know that may not be the most "politically correct" thing to say but it's true. I personally don't follow a pre-set path of flawed thinking like political correctness anyways. Maybe I'm just too aspie and I don't understand conventional thinking and theories of mind in which place illogical barriers and bars on my thought process.
This article was no witch hunt at all, NTs are perfectly welcome to come here and talk with us. What they shouldn't be allowed to do is hijack our community and our identity, and our voice. And of coarse I am not saying every undiagnosed person is really NT, I'm just saying alot probably are. I can name you several undiagnosed people on here who are likely correctly self-diagnosed. But then I can probably give you like a list who are wanna-be self-dx'ed people. NTs are welcome so long as they call themselves NTs, and not aspies. Loners can call themselves loners. In fact I have something in common with NT loners, they and I are both loners.

while i did use the term liberally... it was on purpose... i've observed several of your posts in regards to suspicious aspie people... and so i still feel justified in the use of my terminology...


and i'm not specifically pegging you out as other people were jumping in on this person's post too.. the fact that several people sided together and pointed out their disbelief in someone's status is perfectly congruent with what was done to innocent poeple in the witch trials... (and no i'm not making a comparison of scale, but principle)

why don't you tie rocks to him and throw him in a pond to see if he floats or not (whether or not he's NT)....

point is... it shouldn't be that big a deal... if he feels he's made personal advancements... why try to nock him down a peg by calling him out on his aspieness?

I feel like NT is a lot more like a disorder and Asperger's is a bit more normal.

Ahahaha,I agree with you...
Or...I allow myself to think that Im Aspie,and agree with you.

Worse case scenario I guess Im a doomed NT *LOL*

When I was small I thought that most other humans were crazy except for me. I can still cite good evidence to support this perception. Just the fact that my grandfather imbibed poisonous liquids regularly and fought with his wife of more than twenty years all the time, but there were all these totally irrational explosions of violence and belief systems based on strange realities, not even internally consistent. No sense of proportion, and "emotional maturity" seemed to be measured by how fast a person could swing their hand to hit a child for asking questions.

What on Earth am I supposed to think?

I assure you it was quite different. During the witch trial people were advocating killing people based purely on suspicion of being part of a group that the majority was prejudiced against.
I'm merely trying to say that only aspies should speak from a 1st-hand experience for aspies. I'm certain most other cultures and communities around the world wouldn't sit too well with outsiders trying to represent them.

Too, I'm not totally against all NTs like you assume. Is there SOME animosity towards most of them? yes, because I've been abused at the hands of their society, and have been devalued as a human being. Do I judge ALL NTs? No, I don't. In fact my best freinds (my brother and one other person) are both NT.

I dont feel like an outsider trying to represent any other group of people.
I just feel like a different person with certain personality traits representing other people who also tend to have the same personally traits.
It makes me feel like I have something in common with other people in a world that otherwise seems very odd to me.
If it adds up to being an Aspie or not I dont know,but for as long as I do have these traits I want to be able to communicate with other people about them,because afterall,if Im not wrong.
Alot of being diagnosed is about having these traits,right?
I really dont see the problem here,at all.

lol, doh >.< I deleted my post 'cuz I thought I wound up rambling and just didn't wanna stir into it-I get what you are saying, diagnosis is nice, but it doesn't make much of a diff, and I was hoping no one read it in the time I was deleting it.... maybe you didn't, lol, maybe responding to a diff one >.<

Point is, with autism awareness and what not, it doesn't help to get our points accross if outsiders and taking up half the voice of our group and speaking from non-experience. Often times against the real voice of our community. If we're going to ever become equal in NT society and stop all this suffering we go through, we need to be able to advocate for ourselves without outsiders getting in the way of our progress.
Often times what I see on these boards is like the equivalent of white men claiming to be Native Americans and defending or at best trivialising the trail of tears. It's sad, really.

I really dont like the way you seem to judge undiagnosed people before even having their story in hand.
Neither do I like you calling them outsiders.
I think all people who suspect having AS have felt like outsiders enough in their lives to,on top of it all,be called outsiders at an Aspie forum.
It kind of makes me wonder where the heck I do fit in.

Even if your not aspie (which I am not saying is neccessarily the case because i dunno you well enough yet), it doesn't mean you can't come here and post with aspies. And maybe even find some common ground. Hell if anything, **if** you are NT can you embrace aspies with enough of an open mind, maybe it'll catch on eventually. And in so doing you could set a good example for other NTs and do alot of good for us aspies.