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18 Oct 2016, 7:13 pm

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Human society doesn't neatly match up with that of any other animal. It has greater complexity and is able to grow and evolve. It can adapt to change and difference.

Humans are not the only animals that form adaptable societies.

Not only that, but I'd add: it's merely our imagination that makes it appear as if our societies are more "complex". At the end of the day, people still fight for leadership, follow those leaders, and hope the leader makes good decisions to keep the group afloat. At it's core our societies are no different than animal social structures.

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18 Oct 2016, 8:34 pm

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Your treadmill analogy and your and your ant analogy are both figurative speech, Pieplup.

Anyway... your experiences aren't proof. I'm sure you genuinely feel this way, but you can't expect others to agree with you just because you are so passionate about it. You may have been told your opinions and beliefs don't matter, but that doesn't mean that other autistic people have or that many NTs haven't. You may see people being like ants, but others do not. I don't. Human society doesn't neatly match up with that of any other animal. It has greater complexity and is able to grow and evolve. It can adapt to change and difference. I'm sure you feel like you've well and truly gotten the s**t end of the stick, but there are a lot of people who've got it worse than you and there's a lot of ways it could be worse for you. I believe there's very likely ways it could be better for you too, in this society. They may not be easy or immediately apparent, but I find it hard to believe you have no options.

You can have your opinions on all of this and I won't begrudge you them, but please do not present them as fact.

Then since
The scientific process is testing your observations you can@t take that as proof either. If my experiment is not enough proof the I don't know what is also. That isn't figurative speech I'm simply comparing the two. I also said that post. Using something as a example is not figurative language so your wrong about that and I said humans are like ants in a literal
sense too. so I really have no idea what "figurative language" your talking about. If I use a phrase that is usually In a metaphor in a literial sense it isn't A metaphor. How do you suppose make my evidence good enough for you? I genuinely have no clue. First, I simply stated my argument. Nothing much or nothing less your assuming things that I'm doing that I'm simply not. Your mistaking my actions for things
I'm not doing. I present my opinion as a arguement for it is only natural to debate on it. We're back to your once again assuming things. You also don't understand that almost everyone thinks their special you know you do to so calling someone else on it is hypocrisy. It's simply human nature. I'm sure when you're in a bad mood you're like that. Your assuming I'm stating it as fact. When I really am just stating my opinion then saying why I think that. So we're back to yet again, you're assuming things.

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19 Oct 2016, 1:58 am

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I'm still of the opinion a majority-autistic country would destroy itself.
Also, your conclusions don't logically follow from your premise.

Read some history-- most countries destroy themselves, it's just a matter of how long it takes.

Actually..."if you read history" you learn the exact opposite: that very few countries 'destroy themselves'. Obviously nothing lasts forever, but most civilizations end by being absorbed or destroyed by other human societies. Not by their own hands. Spectacular collapses (Rome, the Mayas, Easter Island) happen, but are the exception.(though Our own society might well be one of those exceptions).

And your point is irrelevent anyway because he obviously meant an all autistic society "would never last even a few years". He didnt mean "an all autistic society will go on as long has China has been around for thousands of years and in some distant future collapse".

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19 Oct 2016, 2:38 am

yeah whatever to all of whatever has been written so far, but i just had this idea.

"flashers" are charged with "willful and obscene exposure".
"willful" is the key
what if a person put only a raincoat on over his naked body and went out.
what if they trained a dog to run past and rip off their raincoat in the middle of a shopping centre?
would they get away from the definition "willful"?
is there such a charge as "accidental obscene exposure"? i think not.
so they would have to be given the benefit of the doubt unless they started dancing flopping their wally at everyone, and then i guess there may be some other charge like "capitalize on accidental circumstance to perform lewd acts in public" ...i am laughing too hard so i must just press post

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19 Oct 2016, 6:08 am

Here's, what I think would happen in a All NT and a All Autistic society.
All NT: The majority of it's technological development would stop. Therefore ultimately getting destroyed by something more powerful. Or destroying itself.
All Autistic: One of two things, It lasts without arguement and develops to a point where much like the dwemer in TES they destory them selves with their own curiosity. Or, The other scenario, That they'd be squabling over politics so much nothing would get done. :lol:

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19 Oct 2016, 6:25 am

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I think the dog would get arrested like these criminal animals

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19 Oct 2016, 6:30 am

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I think the dog would get arrested like these criminal animals

i accept your answer but i do not think it is well thought out.

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19 Oct 2016, 6:37 am

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I think the dog would get arrested like these criminal animals

i accept your answer but i do not think it is well thought out.

I apologise for my answer which had little thought put into it , I could of expanded it and given a funnier answer but I'm just not that funny

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19 Oct 2016, 6:42 am

SaveFerris wrote:

b9 wrote:

SaveFerris wrote:

b9 wrote:

I think the dog would get arrested like these criminal animals

i accept your answer but i do not think it is well thought out.

I apologise for my answer which had little thought put into it , I could of expanded it and given a funnier answer but I'm just not that funny

yeah cool. don't get hurt. i did not mean for that to happen.
it's not good to deprecate yourself.

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19 Oct 2016, 6:50 am

b9 wrote:

SaveFerris wrote:

b9 wrote:

SaveFerris wrote:

b9 wrote:

I think the dog would get arrested like these criminal animals

i accept your answer but i do not think it is well thought out.

I apologise for my answer which had little thought put into it , I could of expanded it and given a funnier answer but I'm just not that funny

yeah cool. don't get hurt. i did not mean for that to happen.
it's not good to deprecate yourself.

Im not hurt , I was trying to be funny.

I've got thick skin when Im online , paper thin IRL.

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22 Oct 2016, 11:19 am

I'm reading your words, Pieplup. Every single one. No assumption is needed... but you certainly seem to be assuming that everyone is as dysfunctional as you apparently are. They are not. There are plenty of autistic people who are doing just fine, which is some pretty damn strong evidence that things are not so dire as you claim. Unless you can somehow prove that anyone capable of functioning society actually isn't autistic your premise doesn't hold up.

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24 Oct 2016, 1:15 am

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Do you feel that you can see a reality that is imperceptible to neurotypicals? I do. I feel like I can see all the ugliness that they are able to dismiss. A concrete world where children and the elderly are warehoused so the workers can busy themselves, spirituality fulfilled with products and brand affiliation. Empty salutations, selfishness and broken promises. Now, I know, I am depressed and am being treated for it. But which came first, the depression or the ugliness? If people saw what I see why wouldn't they be depressed?

Anyway, the reason I ask is because I have noticed that the nt world, in their dealings with autistic people, seem to believe that it is paramount to our "treatment" that we are taught to socialize. I have never been able to figure out why this is important. But it occurs to me that it could be because they know we can see this reality and they don't like it. We expose their nakedness, the emptiness of their verbal preening and shows of solidarity.

I definitely relate to that why say things you don't mean? Why say good morning? I know that it is what everyone does in social situations but it still does not make sense. Also advertisements seem to be talking down to their customers, almost like they think we are all stupid especially the ones on the radio. I feel like the hell with it just do what feels natural and to hell if it seems weird to everyone I'll just be weird.

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25 Oct 2016, 9:05 pm

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My premise does hold up since , I'm merely saying that autistic people can't Function simply because they lack the knowledge and/or ability to. My premise still stands for, I have proven it to the best of my ability. They might be able to function a little. Though. Not much.

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25 Oct 2016, 11:37 pm

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You are demonstrably wrong.

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27 Oct 2016, 12:36 pm

AJisHere wrote:

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You are demonstrably wrong.

[Color=#00b2ff] It's you're biased opinion. You're biased saying. I have no proof when you don't either. Wpcc

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28 Oct 2016, 11:34 am

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[Color=#00b2ff] It's you're biased opinion. You're biased saying. I have no proof when you don't either. Wpcc

BS.

So what, do you think every autistic person who has a successful career, who's started a family, who has clearly demonstrated they can function in society is imaginary? Or do you think they're all liars? You are full of s**t. You are just feeling sorry for yourself and looking for an excuse for your own failings. All I'm doing is denying you that excuse. If you can't function that's not an autistic problem, that's your problem. At least be mature enough to own up to it.

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