The Pro-Cure Thread

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I totally agree with you.

I don't care what anyone else thinks.

I don't understand why some people wouldn't want to:
1) Get married (I prefer NTs)
2) Hold a job (Not an "easy" job)
3) make friends

I would rather have these (the first one is the main important one) than some of my "positives", which I feel I can do without. The only upside is that people say that we can marry foreign people, but there isn't much of that in the US, besides I am looking more toward American NT people anyway.

Also, don't forget:
1) All the stereotypes
2) Higher rates of bullying/etc (Who wants to be vulnerable to bullies anyway)

But, at the same time, I don't view AS as necessarily a problem, and saying that ASD's are caused by a "problem" is like saying ASDs are problems themselves.

Just my opinions, I haven't really been following the thread so inform me if the subjects have changed slightly.

I'm not pro or anti-cure, I personally don't want to be cured but if someone wants to then that's up to them. And I find both anti/pro extremes pretty ridiculous, like the autism speaks extreme pro cures talk about autism like it's the black death and they'd do pretty dangerous things to their kids to get them cured. But then there's the extreme anti-cures (usually on aspiesforfreedom) that sign petitions or get really angry if someone wants a cure, and they say autism is superier to any other neuro-type and NTs are all evil and they all hate autistics.

So I go with the balanced view, if you want to be cured, I don't blame you, although I don't want to be cured myself.

I agree with Deanfoley. It seems to me that this part of WP is only 'Home' to 'aspies' who embrace their 'aspieness'. For f***s sake I can hardly believe that the term 'curebie' even exists. Thank goodness for the sanity of PPR

Great post. I have a balanced view myself. I don't like the views of both sides, both are just as bad.
I'm not always pleased with my autism, bit it's who I am.

Finally!! !

I'm completely pro-cure for myself. What I wouldn't give to be able to multitask and live the 'Sex in the City' lifestyle (albeit gother). What I wouldn't give to be able to relax at a show with friends, or a teachers' convention, without worrying that I'll seriously f- up and put what I value most - my hard-earned relationships - in jeopardy. What I wouldn't give to rest assured that my students' aren't calling me a 'psycho' behind my back, or to be able to advance in a corporation to a managerial position instead of being in some lower-paid technical niche.

It's cool being good at math and all, but all the mathematical abilities in the world can't take the place of truly connecting to people. Which Asperger's / Autism prevents me from doing.

My friend just got married last week, and another one of my friends is getting married over the summer. I prefer physically fit NT partners with a good fashion sense, decent career, and the ability to be socially 'suave' at gatherings. I haven't dated any guys who weren't NT, but only one of them was employed.

I've been a 'curebie' since I found out I had this s**t. AS / Autism isn't like a minority race or religion, because ethnicities have tight-knit communities and social institutions and meaningful social relationships.

I'm of the opinion that it the social relationships in ones life that define it and give it value above anything else. You could be a super attractive genius billionaire and it would mean s**t if you had no one to share it with. As such, if I am AS, I would take any cure that was available; even to the point of a total personality rewrite.

I couldn't help but read what empheralla was saying in the early stages of this thread. Your sweeping generalisations of NT's are rather offensive. There are plenty of NT's who are just as deep as any aspie on this board. Admittedly though, if you were to compare deep to shallow NT's and Aspies, the NT's would probably be outnumbered 2:1 or more by shallow idiots.

No Redbus, it is true most aspies are deeper than their NT equivalent in personality type, even if you don't consider yourself particularly deep. Being a super attractive genius billionaire would mean everything if that is what you valued, all value is subjective. Say you were a kind of person that no one could relate to no matter how hard they tried or wanted to. Would this mean that no matter what your life was worth sh*t? No, it wouldn't. A new system of values must be created by that person which is something you should probably do especially if you hate your life.
You must have no sense of self worth if you would change your personality just to fit in, because trust me, you will never change and there will never be a cure. You should look at your life and see if your strong desire for social relationships is completely your true self's deepest desire or a desperate attempt to fit in with society and fear of abandonment that has been printed subconsciously into your mind.

I don't believe that a "cure" is possible for anyone short of God. Think about it; you'd be asking for a major rewriting of the entirety of the single most complicated thing that we know to exist, the human brain, each example of which is a unique and constantly changing custom design. However many gazillion cells, and you'd need some kind of holistic view of what you were doing. No amount of talking to psych-whatevers or dosing up on drugs is going to achieve that, ever. Any "curing" that gets done is going to get done at conception, not afterwards.

Quoted for truth.
Nice avatar as well.

If you want to cure something, cure meat.

I feel that a cure is the lesser of two evils.

You can cure autism and asperger's but you can't cure people's ignorance.

You can educate NTs about this stuff till your butt turns blue but they will still be clueless about it. If Autism is being mistaken for something along the lines of mental retardation or something that's completely made up...that's a huge problem.

Alot of people had this notion with things like ADHD especially that we're overdiagnosing people...when in reality we diagnosed the WRONG people! But they don't get that and now they want to underdiagnosed which I think even worse. You know whose gonna hurt the most from this are people who do have the conditions but are not getting diagnosed because of pressure by society to believe that our emotional/mental pain is all from being a bunch of spoiled babies.

They'll never learn IMO. I've had counselors who claimed to be AS experts when in reality they didn't know jack s**t. And no one in my world anyway wants to take this thing seriously and those that do overexagerrate what we go through.

But I do know that autism is not something you can cure like magic. But should one be ever possible I would be all over it.

This attitude makes me laugh, why should people not involved in ASD take time to understand it. I wonder how many here that believe 'NT's' should learn all about our peculiar difficulties have ever bothered to investigate the needs of other disabilities/disorders. How many of you can sign, or take blind people into consideration when arranging an office or placing things on a footpath.

Why should 'NT's' take time to help a bunch of self obsessed people who get around spruiking about how Superior they are. The delusion of 'aspie superiority' is I believe yet another symptom of the syndrome.

I for one applaud all those 'evil, shallow, NT's' who make it their lifes work to help ameliorate the effects of ASD and search for the cause and maybe even a cure. I despise those amongst us that have open hostility toward such people

This is the truth right there.

By that reasoning, why should anyone, any disability, be accommodated at all?

I see your point. But blind people do not expect the rest of us to wear black goggles and the deaf ear plugs. What I am getting at are the vocal minority who believe the rest of society should all learn and understand and accommodate for our particular problems. It is hard enough for the so called experts to DX us accurately how the heck do you expect the rest of society to spot us and make the necessary adjustments. Personally i believe it is up to us to try and fit in, this also includes educating those around us about our particular issues. Walking around with an air of superioprity because we have a high IQ is perversely quite stupid

Am agree with what have been saying,and in the previous post,as well as what outlier has said but am wondering about a few things...
if it's wrong for aspie elitists to expect people to learn about ASDs,isn't it just the same thing as wanting to educate those around about issues from ASDs?

Also,the VI community do expect people to wear black goggles,and the HI expect ear defenders to be worn-it's part of VI/HI awareness which is routinely expected,it gives staff of all kinds a bit more understanding of what it's like to be VI/HI,what those communities do not like about it is the way it does not show the true challenges they come across because it's usually only for a day,and limited in what they learn.

There is also awareness training for ASDs,and for many other disabilities,this doesn't only improve peoples understanding of the disability it also improves things like access/how suitable buildings are,community adaptions,public transport etc,and raises the standards of the DDA.

For some of us on the spectrum,it's impossible to hide our Autism or fit in which results in prejudice,discrimination,abuse,neglect etc if people are not aware of Autism and high complex needs.
Being taught awareness makes a huge difference in how are treated,and in own experience it has saved own life on many occasions.
Many say the best way they have learnt about Autism or AS is not through books/tv by non autistic people about us,but through knowing Autistic people-so definitely,its far better seeing the experience,than a quick read up which has been based on one of the diagnostic criterias.



Am can say yes to most of those-am partly communicate in sign [makaton] and have long thought schools should offer BSL instead of other languages,so that deaf or HI people are accomodated more,
and as for footpaths-placing things on a footpath,usually ends up being good for one disability but affecting another in a bad way,such as tactile/raised concrete lumps to tell a VI person where the end of the kerb-theyre a good thing for VIs but wheel chair users are shocked going over them because of the lack of suspension and people who have bad balance or mobility or are crutch users struggle with them.Am have grown up around mixed disability,been schooled with it and currently live with it,as well as use online mixed disability communities so get to understand what affects who,people with different disabilities can be just as ignorant of others as Autistics or non Autistics,so it's better to learn and understand as much as possible so are informed and do not unknowingly impair someone with that disability.