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24 Jul 2010, 5:14 pm

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I'm confused reading this thread. Is it medical expenses that you're raising money for or a plane ticket? The price of a plane ticket hardly seems worth the effort of scamming if that's all it is.


That's what I said. And the girlfriend isn't going to get the money anyway. So what's going on?

My apologies if I'm missing something, I can't follow this whole thread.


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24 Jul 2010, 6:18 pm

scubasteve wrote:
I'm confused reading this thread. Is it medical expenses that you're raising money for or a plane ticket? The price of a plane ticket hardly seems worth the effort of scamming if that's all it is.


From the website Sean set up to raise funds:

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So i made this site; a charity for her. In hopes that i might raise some funds, at the very least, be able to raise enough for plane fare to go see her, and just be there for her when she needs some reassurance, someone to tell her everything will be alright, even if it doesn't really look good, someone to give her a loving embrace and a kiss, when she's scared and in pain... & if at all possible, to go above and beyond, and, with some luck, pull up enough funds if possible to also chip in towards her family during the difficult recovery process, because the surgery and the chemotherapy she needs

Basically, it doesn't look like there will be a cap on donations. Once enough money has been raised for the ticket, money will still be collected. 'Chemotherapy' etc. is very expensive and ongoing, so if it were a scam, then it's a great idea.

Sean, this sudden changing from 'brain' to 'stomach' cancer doesn't reassure me one bit- with the data you have given us it makes no sense, medically or even logically. Please be careful. I hope to god this doesn't turn out to be some half baked idea to get funds to visit your girlfriend using a story to garner sympathy. I like your posts and you seem a decent person, but this is unfortunately a growing suspicion, just based on your reluctance to provide any evidence and the fact that the story does not add up and has suddenly changed.

Does she really have cancer, of any kind? I am 99.9% sure this story is either completely or more than partially fiction. I hope that it's just on her part, but if it is an idea that went too far, please put an end to it. It's understandable that you want to visit your girlfriend very much, but this would be a very wrong way to go about it. I apologise completely if you are genuine; I am not trying to accuse you of anything, just that I know that even decent people do strange things sometimes.

If you genuinely do believe her to have cancer, please have a look at this Sean; http://www.dangersofinternetdating.com/conartists.htm. Sweetheart scams are a lot more common than people think. You say you are trying to be sensitive to her, but if she was a scammer, that's just playing into a trap. Don't be afraid to ask about the subject. It would be a normal thing to do, even if you weren't suspicious of anything, and nothing to feel bad about.

As I said, I am very sorry to have brought this up but I felt it needed saying. The story, as far as I am concerned, is bogus. I apologise for querying your involvement in it, but I do think that without any supporting evidence, it is unfair to ask for money from people here anymore.



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24 Jul 2010, 6:25 pm

Thanks Lene. I might be willing to chip in for airfare, but I'd need some assurance that's what it would be used for. Not that the other stuff isn't important but I do share your concern.



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24 Jul 2010, 6:46 pm

scubasteve wrote:
I'm confused reading this thread. Is it medical expenses that you're raising money for or a plane ticket? The price of a plane ticket hardly seems worth the effort of scamming if that's all it is.
just the ticket. I only said that if there happened to be extra, it would go towards her family


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24 Jul 2010, 6:53 pm

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Thanks Lene. I might be willing to chip in for airfare, but I'd need some assurance that's what it would be used for. Not that the other stuff isn't important but I do share your concern.
well, i'm having difficulty gathering medical evidence, particularly because of her mother not approving of her medical stuff being on the internet. but i certainly could prove what donations are being used for. Presumably airline tickets come with some kind of receipt, or something i can get a photocopy of to prove that much.


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24 Jul 2010, 6:56 pm

arm around your shoulder


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24 Jul 2010, 6:59 pm

Ok Sean. Just please be careful and don't do anything that doesn't make sense to you. Best of luck sincerely to you and to your girlfriend.



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24 Jul 2010, 7:04 pm

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Sean...your biggest supporters are all confused now. Please halt this and get concrete information. I have no idea why this is so difficult.

1. Tell her about what is happening here and add a link to her myspace, and ask her to unhide it. If you feel uncomfortable asking for this much then you have no business going to see her.

2. Stop even bothering with the speculation on her prognosis, you don't have any concrete facts....like how they diagnosed her.

3. This is got many people confused and it is just not right.

Please I don't think you want any of this to happen AND it doesn't matter it wasn't your idea any more you are a full participant in this and RESPONSIBLE. This is your RESPONSIBILITY now. END it.

arm around your shoulder but end it


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sorta confused as to what the myspace has to do with it :?


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24 Jul 2010, 7:21 pm

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I'm uncomfortable with it also. There is a lot of information missing from the picture. :shrug:


not just the missing information. the provided information are not logical.

Sean, $500+ isn't hard to earn. get a job, even a low pay one, can earn you $500 pretty soon.


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24 Jul 2010, 7:24 pm

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I'm uncomfortable with it also. There is a lot of information missing from the picture. :shrug:


not just the missing information. the provided information are not logical.

Sean, $500+ isn't hard to earn. get a job, even a low pay one, can earn you $500 pretty soon.
not like i haven't tried :( . Still trying actually, just with no luck.


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24 Jul 2010, 8:51 pm

arm around your shoulder

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24 Jul 2010, 9:39 pm

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Why isn't there any real information about her??

Your conversations with her...she doesn't even know what is happening to her
The two pictures...she looks totally different...these are at best months apart
Why is her myspace hidden..
I do have real information about her, just not much medically; mostly personal info. She told me today she's taking clonazepam & lorazepam though to help her sleep lately. Her myspace is hidden for the same reason mine, and several thousand other people's are; some people like their privacy when it comes to strangers. If you have a myspace though, could just add her ya know.
& i already showed Hale_bopp about half a dozen more pics from her profile & Hale_bopp now agrees they're of the same person btw.
Also it's not impossible that she doesn't know much of her own medical info.
For example i don't even really keep track of mine either. I don't schedule my appointments for the most parts, or do much aside from what i'm absolutely required to participation-wise. For the most part my mom's kinda like my medical secretary, which is why i wasn't necessarily surprised if it was the same with her.

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Why isn't she part of this if she loves you and wants you there???? How hard would it be to hop on here, sign up, and post. Why wouldn't she do that if she loves you and wants you there...why wouldn't she do that if she loves you and wants you there...why wouldn't she do something if she loves you and wants you there...why won't you answer the easy questions...i am just not getting this???
Not a bad idea. Next time she's not sleeping and answers my phone call, i could ask if she wants to join the site. Honestly, it'd never really occurred to me.

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And you really do need a arm around your shoulder to help you untangle this and see it for real.

xxoo
yup, could use a hug actually....


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24 Jul 2010, 10:06 pm

Seanmw wrote:
alone wrote:
Why isn't there any real information about her??

Your conversations with her...she doesn't even know what is happening to her
The two pictures...she looks totally different...these are at best months apart
Why is her myspace hidden..
I do have real information about her, just not much medically; mostly personal info. She told me today she's taking clonazepam & lorazepam though to help her sleep lately. Her myspace is hidden for the same reason mine, and several thousand other people's are; some people like their privacy when it comes to strangers. If you have a myspace though, could just add her ya know.
& i already showed Hale_bopp about half a dozen more pics from her profile & Hale_bopp now agrees they're of the same person btw.
Also it's not impossible that she doesn't know much of her own medical info.
For example i don't even really keep track of mine either. I don't schedule my appointments for the most parts, or do much aside from what i'm absolutely required to participation-wise. For the most part my mom's kinda like my medical secretary, which is why i wasn't necessarily surprised if it was the same with her.


For me, I believe the two girl are same person from the start, as I've mentioned before.

However, making appointment and knowing her own condition is two totally different matter.
As I've mentioned before, the doctor will make sure that she understand every details and the surgery cannot proceed before she understand it. She is the one who sign the consent form, not her mother. And this is CANCER, it is not some anxiety, fungal infection, or some other things that can be joked about. There is no excuse why she dones't know about her own body. As I have also mentioned before, they must have done blood test on her, and there must be abnormality. MRI or scan alone does not diagnose cancer. The doctor must have discuss all these with her, and he would make sure she listens and understand. This is US, not some dodgy country in Asia where people just subject to operation randomly and got one of their kidney taken out. Your point of arguement in this matter is weak and not logical.

yes, I'm a bit angry and upset. becoz Sean, I realise, your gf is probably not the one, or not the only one, who is not telling the truth. And I trusted you so much from the beginning.


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24 Jul 2010, 10:24 pm

melbi wrote:
Seanmw wrote:
alone wrote:
Why isn't there any real information about her??

Your conversations with her...she doesn't even know what is happening to her
The two pictures...she looks totally different...these are at best months apart
Why is her myspace hidden..
I do have real information about her, just not much medically; mostly personal info. She told me today she's taking clonazepam & lorazepam though to help her sleep lately. Her myspace is hidden for the same reason mine, and several thousand other people's are; some people like their privacy when it comes to strangers. If you have a myspace though, could just add her ya know.
& i already showed Hale_bopp about half a dozen more pics from her profile & Hale_bopp now agrees they're of the same person btw.
Also it's not impossible that she doesn't know much of her own medical info.
For example i don't even really keep track of mine either. I don't schedule my appointments for the most parts, or do much aside from what i'm absolutely required to participation-wise. For the most part my mom's kinda like my medical secretary, which is why i wasn't necessarily surprised if it was the same with her.


For me, I believe the two girl are same person from the start, as I've mentioned before.

However, making appointment and knowing her own condition is two totally different matter.
As I've mentioned before, the doctor will make sure that she understand every details and the surgery cannot proceed before she understand it. She is the one who sign the consent form, not her mother. And this is CANCER, it is not some anxiety, fungal infection, or some other things that can be joked about. There is no excuse why she dones't know about her own body. As I have also mentioned before, they must have done blood test on her, and there must be abnormality. MRI or scan alone does not diagnose cancer. The doctor must have discuss all these with her, and he would make sure she listens and understand. This is US, not some dodgy country in Asia where people just subject to operation randomly and got one of their kidney taken out. Your point of arguement in this matter is weak and not logical.

yes, I'm a bit angry and upset. becoz Sean, I realise, your gf is probably not the one, or not the only one, who is not telling the truth. And I trusted you so much from the beginning.
If my reasoning is weak, it's for lack of information myself & lack of knowledge of medical policies and procedures concerning cancer, so i've not even known what details to be asking her about.
If i've told any untruths, i'm certainly not aware of them, i've just been telling what i do know, which since communication's been shakey, and because i didn't experience it first-hand myself and thus don't have have the first-hand knowledge, isn't all that much. Mostly the problem is just knowing what to ask her exactly. Like now that i know about the blood-test thing i'll know to look for that & it's significance if it comes up, etc. Also i just haven't had as much time to talk to her lately because she's had alot of family visiting to see her & stuff apparently. As i said though earlier, she said she might have some time to talk on the phone a lil later tonight, so i'll see what more i can find out. Even see if she wants to join WP & possibly explain it to you all herself.
if you're upset, i'm sorry Melbi.


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24 Jul 2010, 11:02 pm

I still do not believe with the evidence given in this thread such as the ever changing cancer location or the fact he has never met her in the flesh before still has people willing to throw their money away. No wonder NTs mock us. I guess there is sucker born every second. :roll: Well Sean all I have to say take these people for what you can get your never find this many easy to fool people in one place ever again. You better take some pictures with her to prove me wrong. Remember no one looks pretty after they go through chemo thearpy. If you get there and she has a rosey healthy glow, all of her hair, and not puking she is lying. Good luck. :wink: :roll:


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24 Jul 2010, 11:08 pm

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I still do not believe with the evidence given in this thread such as the ever changing cancer location or the fact he has never met her in the flesh before still has people willing to throw their money away. No wonder NTs mock us. I guess there is sucker born every second. :roll: Well Sean all I have to say take these people for what you can get your never find this many easy to fool people in one place ever again. You better take some pictures with her to prove me wrong. Remember no one looks pretty after they go through chemo thearpy. If you get there and she has a rosey healthy glow, all of her hair, and not puking she is lying. Good luck. :wink: :roll:
I'll be sure to get pics together, if nothing else and will be on the watch for the effects of chemo. in any case, a fresh huge scar over her gut where they cut out the tumor would be rather hard to fake.
cancer's location isn't ever-changing, there was simply one misunderstanding that went on for a bit due to some miscommunication which i'm still quite embarrassed about :oops: . It's definitely in the stomach. Although i guess if it metastasizes it could technically go to different places, yes.


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