28% of murderers thought to have suffered from ASD

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03 May 2022, 11:50 am

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Why are you so obsessed with this?


Forensic Psychology is part of my restricted interest.



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03 May 2022, 11:54 am

I don’t feel that “sensory issues” would incite a person to murder someone.

There’s something else going on other than autism.



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03 May 2022, 12:04 pm

I do agree, that is comorbidity of psychopathy and PDD-NOS.



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03 May 2022, 3:32 pm

Yesterday I was startled by the presence of a small black wasp in my bathroom so I sprayed it with Raid and then just sat and watched it die. Deep down I felt bad for the little bugger, but that didn't stop me from watching until it finally stopped wriggling around on the floor. Then I gave it a burial at sea (flushed it down the toilet).

Does that mean I'm a psychopath and therefor a potential murderer?

Maybe not, because I went to bed last night wondering if the wasp was screaming as it writhed on the floor and I just couldn't hear it. It felt pretty unpleasant.

I'm feeling more empathy and guilt for a bug than I normally do for a human.



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03 May 2022, 3:56 pm

I think that PDD-NOS should be in DSM-5 and ICD-11 when it comes to diagnosing criminals with some form of Pervasive Developmental Disorder, because not everything that some serious criminals with ASD do are autistic behavior.



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03 May 2022, 7:21 pm

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Yesterday I was startled by the presence of a small black wasp in my bathroom so I sprayed it with Raid and then just sat and watched it die. Deep down I felt bad for the little bugger, but that didn't stop me from watching until it finally stopped wriggling around on the floor. Then I gave it a burial at sea (flushed it down the toilet).

Does that mean I'm a psychopath and therefor a potential murderer?

Maybe not, because I went to bed last night wondering if the wasp was screaming as it writhed on the floor and I just couldn't hear it. It felt pretty unpleasant.

I'm feeling more empathy and guilt for a bug than I normally do for a human.


Most people kill bugs without a hint of guilt.

Not me though, I'd rather get stung by a wasp than to let it die. Everything deserves to live, why should humans always have the top priority of living rights all the time? The only things that don't deserve to live are evil people that intentionally kill other people. I'm sorry but I just cannot have sympathy for those people monsters, even if they were abused as a child or bullied or whatever, murder is still never an answer. And usually it's random innocent people that get murdered.
Lots of people who have suffered abuse don't go around murdering people.


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03 May 2022, 7:36 pm

The problem is that there are situations where not all killers deserve death penalty, and the motivation for every killings is not the same. Another problem is that 4 percent of people in death row are innocent according to the innocents project.

We need to be sure that a person is sadistic enough to get death penalty, just being a killer is not enough.

I have mixed feelings about death penalty because wrong people get capital punishment, regardless if they are a criminal or not.

I would not put killers to death row, if there is evidence that they have emapthy and remorse, that sounds more like revenge than punishment. There has to be proof that a person is too dangerous, megalomaniac, and lacks emapthy and remorse in order to put such person to death, and not for punishment anymore, but because the person is too dangerous to others, and if we decide to keep such people alive, they belong in a mental hospital, because they are too dangerous to be in regular prison. It shouldn't matter if you know right from wrong at this point.



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03 May 2022, 11:47 pm

I call BS on ASD being a factor. Abuse, bullying, shaming and other general mistreatment due to ignorance on the part of NTs is a much more likely factor (where ASD is present in a murderer, anyway).

All of which I have endured, and I've never committed or been charged with anything worse than a traffic ticket.


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03 May 2022, 11:57 pm

The problem is that there is a very strong link between being having neurodevelopental disorders related to or part of the autistic spectrum and being victimized more than the general population. Some people with ASD that have been victimized happen to have psychopathic traits, but most people with ASD that are victimized are more likely to be suicidal than being acting out on anger.

So it is a factor, but only very small proportion of what is going on with those criminals, as they also have psychopathy as well.



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04 May 2022, 12:31 am

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I would not put killers to death row, if there is evidence that they have empathy and remorse, that sounds more like revenge than punishment. There has to be proof that a person is too dangerous, megalomaniac, and lacks emapthy and remorse in order to put such person to death, and not for punishment anymore, but because the person is too dangerous to others, and if we decide to keep such people alive, they belong in a mental hospital, because they are too dangerous to be in regular prison. It shouldn't matter if you know right from wrong at this point.

This is a slippery slope at best. Inconsistent display or total lack of empathy is a very common trait with ASD. So how can this be determined?

And as another member pointed out, iit is entirely possible to coincidentally have ASD and psychosis.


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Since ASD means various parts of the brain stop developing at various ages...
Just how the hell am I supposed to know WHICH age to act, anyway? :lol:


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04 May 2022, 1:52 am

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This is a slippery slope at best. Inconsistent display or total lack of empathy is a very common trait with ASD. So how can this be determined?


What do you mean by this exactly?


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04 May 2022, 2:07 am

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This is a slippery slope at best. Inconsistent display or total lack of empathy is a very common trait with ASD. So how can this be determined?


What do you mean by this exactly?

As in one of the defining characteristics / traits of ASD is a seeming inconsistency or total lack of empathy. I know, because I often rub people the wrong way because they think I don't care about them. So with that being a known characteristic of ASD, how could you use it as a factor in deciding who goes to death row and who does not?


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Since ASD means various parts of the brain stop developing at various ages...
Just how the hell am I supposed to know WHICH age to act, anyway? :lol:


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04 May 2022, 5:35 am

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This is a slippery slope at best. Inconsistent display or total lack of empathy is a very common trait with ASD. So how can this be determined?


What do you mean by this exactly?

As in one of the defining characteristics / traits of ASD is a seeming inconsistency or total lack of empathy. I know, because I often rub people the wrong way because they think I don't care about them. So with that being a known characteristic of ASD, how could you use it as a factor in deciding who goes to death row and who does not?


You don't lack empathy, it's just you have difficulties showing empathy. It's actually been proven that most autistics don't actually lack empathy.


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04 May 2022, 6:13 am

If you’re interested in forensic psychology, you should research mass murderers more.

Most of them seemed, to me, to be opposites of those with ASD.

Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc., were proficient social beings.



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04 May 2022, 7:18 am

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FranzOren wrote:
I would not put killers to death row, if there is evidence that they have empathy and remorse, that sounds more like revenge than punishment. There has to be proof that a person is too dangerous, megalomaniac, and lacks emapthy and remorse in order to put such person to death, and not for punishment anymore, but because the person is too dangerous to others, and if we decide to keep such people alive, they belong in a mental hospital, because they are too dangerous to be in regular prison. It shouldn't matter if you know right from wrong at this point.

This is a slippery slope at best. Inconsistent display or total lack of empathy is a very common trait with ASD. So how can this be determined?

And as another member pointed out, iit is entirely possible to coincidentally have ASD and psychosis.



Lack of cognitive emapthy is a symptom of Autism Spectrum Disorder. Lacking effective emapthy is a sump of Antisocial Personality Disorder.