Accepting Autism is Like a Traffic Jam

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That fear is justified - and you only have to look at what happened in the UK as a result of Andrew Wakefield's BS to know that it's true.

That fatality from the measles can be laid at his feet without a doubt - and it may not be the only one either.

The laws you complain about re Howard won't change under Rudd. When Dr.Woolridge made the announcement I referred to in 1999 (I think) it got the full support of the Opposition. As it should have.

your just harming yourself. I have said in many threads I think I have AS but I'm getting tested hopefully next month. It is a different wiring and if you think of it is a more efficent wiring. Lets look at pure evolutionary theory for a minute I know the science buffs will love this wheres jf but anyway. Aspie brains from what I've researched handle information much better then NT so this is made in respnse to the lower need for being a people person and the higher need to be more efficent as an individual.

On the personal sense if you put yourself down for what you are you are your own worst enemy. Not because of anything more then the world will try to bring you down so why help them. Would having AS make you unworthy ? thats up to you but I know personally no ones going to make the decision of If I'm wworthy but me. I have different skills a different way of thinking that makes me different and theres no way to say one way is better then the other they all have advantages and disadvantages.

If you don't like who you are thats nothing to do with being AS that has to do with you see things that you want to change. Don't blame the disorder sit down like I did and make a list of what you want yourself to be then act on it and try to change it. If you want to be more socially confidant push yourself into more social situations social skills can be learned like anything else you just take more time learning it because your not naturally skilled in it. Thats ok the information of your strengths and weaknesses helps you to better work on who you want to be.

When I wrote that he had a claim in the works, I had already seen that bit from the gov't site (like more than a year ago, maybe two years ago). Also, somewhere John has admitted to this. I don't know if it was on his blog or on a Yahoo! group, but he admitted that he had filed in vaccine court so that eventually he would have the right to file in civil court.... I guess after the omnibus hearings are finished.

Someone who saw John claiming that I'm lying about his filing in vaccine court sent me that exact clip from the gov't website with his claim number on it yesterday and I pasted it here. I don't know if the person who sent it to me also sent it to "whistleblower" or if "whistleblower" is the same person who sent it to me.

Anyway, it's OLD news that John has filed a claim against the feds or whoever. What he did was a step that put him in line for a future lawsuit, so I understand.

I should add that I haven't been to John's blog since the last one he posted about me... a week or so ago. So I haven't seen what whistleblower posted. I don't know about the timing, maybe whistleblower picked up the comment from me here and took it to John's blog?

Thank you. I think you are right.

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If you don't know the Wakefied story it is here in detail.

http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm

I know of Wakefield.

I think it's a real shame he's the one who outed the story as such, as it's led to such a crash in any potential credibility that no sane scientist is going to want to touch it again because of the controversy he's caused. Yet there are still parents who say their kids regressed completely immediately after vaccination - surely that warrants some kind of investigation? It's a shame to think they're missing out because of some fraudulent idiot.

I hadn't heard that before, grew up in Virginia and agree, best American President ever! No wonder I felt so much kinship with him! (I wonder if I could be TJ reincarnated?)

No, he was very highly social, very highly political.

However he had a language development issue and once he learned how to talk, preferred not to, unless it was really needed. The American Revolution (specifically Jefferson) is one of my high interest areas.

I'd say the evidence is stronger for John Adams and his son, John Quincy Adams. (Who, coincidentally, happen to be direct ancestors of mine...)

Parents pick up on the details of this "my kid regressed after a vaccine" story and they include them in their own stories. It's human nature. Some of the things we remember so well, that we would bet everything we own really happened, actually never did happen that way. Even so called "flashbulb memories" like remembering where you were when some particular big news event happened (a president was shot or some other huge tragedy) are not very accurate. We just believe our memories are accurate.

If someone tells you that vaccines cause autism, then you remember back, oh yeah, my kid was vaccinated some time before he became autistic, then it's easy to put the two things together.

Then there are people who just flat out lie about how soon their child regressed after a vaccine. Mrs Cedillo said under oath that he child was normal before the MMR and then regressed. Well, that was a lie. A really outrageous lie actually, so much so that they didn't want video of Michelle Cedillo to be shown in court, but they were compelled to give the video to the court. The video showed her as autistic from long before the MMR. The health records showed her immune system was fine and that she had no signs of inflammation in her gut, that she had ulcers probably caused by the aspirin/pain killers she was taking for arthritis or something... Anyway, these people lie. They lie when the evidence is right there showing that they are lying. No worries. They aren't going to be penalized for it and there's a big pay off if the lie is successful.

Besides that if you vaccinate basically everyone, then right after vaccination there are bound to be some kids who regress. It's statistically obvious. It must be that unless the vaccine prevents a regression there will be kids who regress right after a vaccine.

then the way it works out in real life with the mercury malicia is that it doesn't matter, really what the time is, if your kid "regresses" within one hour, one day, one week, one month or three months after the vaccine, it was the vaccine what done it.

There was a father picketing outside the CDC who had a sign that said his daughter regressed THREE MONTHS after her vaccination, and that she was poisoned.

Excuse me? If one poisons someone with something that is not toxic at all at the dose given it then takes three months for this heinous toxin to show up???? And there's absolutely nothing else that could have caused this kid's symptoms? Well, I bet if there was money to be had for kids made autistic by drinking orange juice, suddenly all the parents would remember how the kid was normal right up until he had that glass of orange juice... or was it that glass of orang juice from three months before the regression?

These moms and dads on the Internet biomed boards have no concept of being rational they just encourage one another's delusions and errors and they have no respect for what science has shown up until now. They make up their own "science" as they go along and their lawyers don't care because every sobbing parent is someone who can influence juries that might be deciding these things in the future. Juries will vote with their guts and they don't know enough about science to see when something is a total lie.

So no, just because there are "so many" parents with "similar" stories about regressions after vaccines that does not mean anything. It does not mean they need to do studies, blah blah. Because so far when these "regression" stories are subjected to scrutiny they fall apart. All of the suits in England were dismissed because they all turned out to be nothing. Absolutely nothing. Zero, nada, zip. I expect the same will happen in the US. There's no there there, people.

on the subject of cures. My friend once told me that deaf pride groups were against a procedure that would give hearing back to some people.

It makes me wonder about everybody wanting to remain AS.

We ARE dysfunctional. Some of us are jolly some are bitter, but we all get frustrated regularly
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If we open up the eugenics box and just look at natural selection we woulnt survive. There is no compassion in nature for the runt of the litter.

Look at most of our problems. Were supposed to be a social animal. I and most of us can't even keep jobs. For no reason other than we dont "get it".

Even more simply look at how many single people are here. Not by choice but because its our number one social problem.

A creature that can't reproduce in nature dies. If all the mates shy away from it= vulture bait.

Would I want to be NT?

How the hell can I know? I have no true conception of whats its like to be jewish, a woman , or black, or grow up thinking in a language other than English.

Would I give up AS? Well, I KNOW that it helps me in my art, which is my lifes passion. I see the difference between myself and other artists. One recentlly told me shes turing forty and getting her second divorce and hoping her new boyfriend will leave his wife.

I asked her "how much time do you spend thinking about your sculpture compared to the time you spend dwelling on your love life?" Shes an honest person said its not much, I told her it shows in her work.

I would give up the ability to walk speak hear to keep the ability to use my hands and see, because Im an artist.

I dated and had more sex than my fair share in my 20s. Now I just dont want the fuss. I do know even the relationships I wanted to work out didnt because of AS. Theres a woman I still love and dont want another that gave me many second chances, but I fumbled them all.

I miss her. I wonder about the life we may have had. About the children we wont ever have.

What Im left with is my art. We AS are the inventors, the artists, but its the NTs who get to enjoy the product of our work and a normal life.

What is normal? Easy. Its whats healthy. Were not.

I no I wouldnt give up art for a family, but thats my AS talking.

I think a cure, though I doubt one can ever be 'found', should be available to those who want it.

Wakefield didn't just come up with an idea that MMR can cause autism; he heard it from the complaints of parents. You don't get an idea like that from nowhere. I know a few people who've been severely damaged by vaccines (not autism), and the effects can take weeks or months to fully develop or be shown - the heavy metals take a bit to accumulate in the nervous system and brain. So it's not that hard to believe.

Dave you are not ill. Nobody on this board is ill from Aspergers Syndrome. It's a label given to us by the law to try and equalise society.

What you do with your art is not an illness. What is happening to you is intolerance. If as a group we can control that, we will be better off and avoid the one illness that is associated with AS by know nothings who refuse to understand - low self esteem and consequently depression. They think it's a part of AS. It's not - and the fact that NT's also suffer from low self esteem and depression is proof of this.

We can enjoy the fruits of our labour - the problem is we're not allowed to. That's not our fault. That's the dishonesty of the NT World that gets away with the selfishness we are penalised for.

Diva, could you link me to the spot you got that info? In PM if you don't feel comfortable posting it in public.

It is when you consider the amount of mercury in vaccines (for example) is only 1.25 micrograms per dose.

I never had the MMR, because I have a vaccine allergy that was discovered before it was time for me to have that one... so that means I should be neurotypical, right? What happened?