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OK. I'm starting to see a trend here. Is it a common AS trait to not like children? I'm completely serious. Is it the "black/white thinking thing that causes someone w/AS to put kindergarteners in the same class as adult criminals?

Last edited by granatelli on 14 Nov 2009, 11:16 am, edited 1 time in total.

yes that was my point. here is one of the many ads on australian TV that i am irritated by. they play it all the time.
it is like the whole city mobilizes because a kid is thinking she may go for a swim.
i imagine all the helicopters and other resources of the whole region diverted from unfolding emergencies to attend to the remote possibility that the child will stub her toe on an oyster or something.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyiZp5w9QT4[/youtube]
i notice that some helicopters have a major bank logo on them (westpac), and all the mens shirts have the dhl logo on them. (dhl is a freight company).
i suppose the ad is well directed and compiled, but the sentiment is so hackneyed and trite in my mind.



there was no question as to the trading of lives of children for the continuation of the bat colony.
that is absurd. the children were distracted from their education only. their lives were not threatened.


i am not sure if there is a god or not. i can not reason it out adequately. i can not see how everything popped out of nothing at the universal inception for no controlled reason, but i also can not see any thing else above my own lifes consciousness for now.

i am not sure there is a god and i am not sure there is no god.
but if there is a god, then i know he/she/it would love animals as dearly as any human.




i do not "love" all living things (most animals i do though). i just recognize their justification to live their lives.

"anger" is in the eye of the reader i am afraid. you are so incorrect. i am always placid to the point of frustration for other people who would like to see more concern from me about things they think i should be upset about.

i do not feel angry about anything.
irritation is not anger.
a mosquito bite does not make me angry, but it irritates me.
i can only feel irritation, and "anger" is in the realm of people who are emotionally superior to me.




none. i am not interested in having kids. they would take up my free time.
i expect you will respond with something like "until you become a parent, you can not hope to understand....blah blah etc".

i was not talking about kids. i was talking about adults attitudes to them.

I don't think it's a trait from my position. I am quite resentful of children myself, a hatred that has developed over several years. This is primarily because in my country, what seems like a majority simply do not have any respect for their environment, their parents, or each other. And, because of constant mollycoddling by the state and the fact that my country has gone into paedophile panic mode, you could find yourself in serious trouble for trying to defend yourself when they attack you or even communicating with them. I had a former friend suddenly turn on me when he sold me out to a taxi firm, and I came close to some kid on a bike mugging me on my way home from college in 2006. But at the same time, if you show any care or regard to children, you will instantly be labelled as a paedophile. That's why I don't ever speak to children or acknowledge them when I'm around them, even those from my own family. This is also the reason why I have refused to kiss the younger children in my family when asked to do so as a goodbye.

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Just looking at your posts you seem to be the one most persistently using black and white thinking. You keep on insisting that children are perfect and innocent and completely ignore all the contrary evidence presented by people here. Also, nobody here compared kindergartners to criminals, you just made that up. I don't dislike children either.

We never said anything about not liking children. I like kids and want to have my own soon, can't wait to get knocked up again, but sometimes they are cruel human beings and I don't see them all as innocent. Just because we know not all kids are innocent and not all are okay doesn't mean we don't like all kids. Have you ever been bullied in your childhood or picked on for anything that wasn't your fault?


B9, wow I am good, I saw the right picture and read your post right. Aspie talk I bet so we understood your language


Why is that people think you don't like kids if you are bothered by them?

While I'm here, I think I'd better answer the question.

The main thing I don't understand is why so many women panic about their size. I don't get some women today; they seem to regard anything above a 'normal' size as being unattractive and/or fat, and that it will automatically drive a man away from ever wanting to go near them. A great number of them also seem to think of themselves as being ugly. What they don't seem to understand is that this is a world where all sizes are welcome. Different people consider different things to be appealing, though different societies judge differently. A women should be happy with herself the way she is unless she has a genuine reason not to.

When one character says to another:

"Fine! We're finished! We're through. I'm never talking to you again. Goodbye."

In a movie, soap-opera or novel.

Then, two scenes or chapters on, the two characters are talking and hugging each other, saying things like:

"I missed you. I'll never leave you again."

Then the next chapter, they have left again.

This cycle of breaking up and making up repeats itself ad-nauseam.
It seems utterly pointless, not to mention a lot of needless agro for both parties concerned. This is why I don't understand soap-operas and find them incredibly irritating.

I've had similar things happen to me in real life and it's thoroughly confusing. Someone will call me a stupid idiot, say they won't talk to me again. Then, a couple of days later, they'd say hi to me. Then I'd say:

"But I thought you said you'd never talk to me again. I'd be grateful if you could please tell me what's going on. I'm confused."

It's thoroughly confusing. It's as if people can't make up their minds one way or the other, so have to faff around with people.

What the heck?!

Why can't people just say goodbye, if they're that upset (and that's what they want to really do) and leave it at that?

If I ever say: "I'll never talk to you again."
I really mean it.
This is why I've rarely ever said this phrase, because it's unnecessary and hurtful.
I don't like messing people about or confusing them.
I'm clear and mean exactly what I say.

If I like people, I praise them.
If I don't, I ask them politely to move on.

I don't pester them or contradict myself.

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I haven't read whole thread so excuse me if it has been mentioned before:

i don't get all that holiday lunacy for Christmas, New Year, etc - so much money spent on largely useless presents, only so that afterwards they can moan about big bills, not to mention the costs of lightning while so many people are jobless, hungry, there are so many other projects that deserve funding. Not to mention cutting (Christmas) trees only in order to put some silly ornaments for a week, and then cast it away.

I don't get sentimentalism of any kind, or buying useless "artsy" presents that only serve for collecting dust.

I don't get many people's obsession with food, clothes, fashion, shoes etc - wtf? Food and clothes are only a means of survival in my book.

I don't get nationalism - especially in sports, politics and I don't get willingness of some people to go to a war just because some incredibly wise politician said so.

The whole wedding ceremony, cake, gown etc - wtf? Why spend all that money for one day, one night? Same goes for the highschool prom.

Etc etc.

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Caring what people think.
The let's just be friends BS after a relationship.
Thinking that you are committing social suicide by being extraordinary with diverse interests and skills.
The need to talk small talk at restaurants, it never happens in my family, we are always talking about something important.
Why NT college students act dumb after using their brain for a long time.

One of the aspects of which, I've been never able to fully comprehend is why? Does there really need to be some social hierarchy in existence as, if this is to profoundly make everyone more different from one another wherein; people seemingly grow further and further apart..

When you take the objective God's-eye view, as you are doing, life is life and there is equivalency between all forms of life. However, this objective and rational point of view conflicts with survival. What you are objecting to is a species-survival tactic that is necessary for at least the majority to have or the species dies. Not everybody has to have it (lots of people who have made a conscious decision to not have children share your viewpoint and the vast majority of these people are NT). But enough people have to have it that the species goes on. It is unfair to adults, especially to childless aults, to be considered less important on the survival scale. But if the majority of humans didn't put the survival of children at the top of their priority list, the human race would have died out long ago. This human instinct gets sugar-coated with sentiment that clearly annoys the heck out of you, but at its core it is DNA's way of making sure that the DNA doesn't stop with the current crop of adults but instead goes on.

You may think objectively that all life deserves to live equally but if you actually lived your life that way, you would die very soon. That sort of objectivity makes for a good thought exercise but it goes against survival. Just as the species has to put the survival of children at the head of the priority list in order for the species to survive, you have to put your own life at the head of your priority list or you as an individual die. Would you swerve your car over a cliff to avoid hitting a possum? No. You would stomp on your brakes (which doesn't endanger your own life) but you wouldn't trade your own life to save a possum's. But objectively that possum has as much right to live as you. But if you act on that objectivity- you die. So it is with the species. Objectively a 46 year old has just as much right to live as a 6 year old. But if it is possible only to save one, most people choose the 6 year old based superficially on sentiment but at its core because the human race dies if many people don't instinctively make that choice for the 6 year old.

Of course it goes bad plenty enough times. People kill children all the time- and very much on purpose. But that's the thing about being humans. The instincts are a guide written deep in but those instincts can be overridden because we have free will. I wouldn't want to lose that free will. But as long as enough people enough of the time put children first, the human race goes on.

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I don't think this is why people are fixated on children and I also don't think it's true. Children aren't blank slates. Although as toddlers they don't know hatred or prejudice, it does kick in fairly predictably around 6-8. "Prejudice" doesn't equate to thinking one race is better than another or whatever. What it really equates to is thinking your familiar group is how people should be and those who don't fit it are suspect. Adults can influence this in a bad way by teaching children that the "out group" is another race, nationality, religion or whatever. But left to their own devices, children seem to define "out group" as those who are behaviorally different from them, regardless of race/religion/etc. Every Aspie discovers this to their great woe. Children default to this unless adults step in and steer them away from it (see the "bullying" thread).

But none of that has anything to do with why people put children on a pedestal. There is some lip service to this idea that children are pure and unspoiled- an idea that I think the Victorians coined. But I think that's just a veneer and the reason people really put children's welfare first is because doing that is mandatory for human survival. Whether children are innocent or not really has no bearing on how necessary it is to protect them and put them first. Before the Victorians, the general Christian view was that they were literally guilty as Original Sin and needed to be baptized and civilized to get the savagery out of them. But still put first because it wasn't their innocence being protected, it was their youthful DNA.

The "please and thank you" thing. I say them, but they're just words to add on, they don't really mean anything.

It's polite and lets them know you appreciate them. Please, I dunno, it's just polite. I often forget to say that word and only say 'thanks.'

I do not understand how NTs can read a post on here
KNOWING that we Autistics dominate this site,
KNOWING that many ASDers are very literal-minded,
KNOWING that most of us say what we mean and mean what we say,
and yet,
STILL get it all wrong by misinterpreting the post by not taking it literally, making assumptions, taking thigs out of context, and adding hidden meanings that are just. not. there.


Seriously, sometimes I just want to scream, "Get it, or get out!"
(But I don't because I know that is rude and almost everyone has a right to be here.)