Accepting Autism is Like a Traffic Jam

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No, it's about limiting risk factors.

You could argue that I should be worried about the amount of crap you inhale each day in a city, or the amount of mercury in wild, organic fish... well, yes, you could worry about that. Or you could ignore that because there isn't much you can do, but not smear the same chemicals all over your face at night in a face cream, or not eat those same toxic chemicals in your processed, revolting, factory-packaged food. Or not inject it into your child's bodies where it bypasses their natural defences and tampers with their not-yet-developed immune systems with a constant assault of toxic poisons proven to cause untold harm, and instead boost their immunity with the tools mother nature gave us to do so.

As I've said, all my household products, including cosmetics, skincare, toothpaste, deodorant, etc are totally natural with no synthetic chemicals in them whatsoever. I avoid doctors and big pharma at all costs. Why would I then go and fill my body with all that junk, when it would be going against everything I stand for, everything I work for, and everything I believe in?

I've read a lot of studies over a lot of years, and make sure I follow up on whose written and funded each. I discount anything industry-funded, and only take into indepedent, peer-reviewed studies whose authors aren't linked to the industry it's about. I have yet to see anything that will convince me they're completely safe, and plenty to suggest the contrary. So until I do see a number of studies giving 100% guarantee that they do work, they are safe, they won't cause harm or awful illnesses later in life, there's no risk of contamination, etc etc I won't risk it.


As for the flu vaccine, I only know what I've seen. And that's more than enough people (as in, absolutely everyone I know who's had it) falling ill within 12 hours of the vaccine to convince me that actually, you can get the flu from the jab, 'live' virus or not, and there is no way in hell I will ever be touching that, or recommending anyone else get it either.

Hopefully your logic regarding autism is better than your political rhetoric.

Al Gore did not wire together Arpanet and build packet routers; he did coin the term 'information superhighway' and he was the first national politician to recognize the potential of the net, and push for it. The lie that was slipped into the public's mind is that Al Gore ever said that he invented the internet. He didn't say that - it was part of a campaign to smear him.

Yes, he does burn more carbon than the average person. But this is a case of having to spend money to make money - If I buy insulation to put in my attic, that takes an investment of energy. For one person to travel to discuss conservation, or to set up a business that actually has to run an air conditioner or heater and have lights is not so contradictory. You could argue that watching a TV show about energy conservation makes no sense because it requires energy.

That is VERY unwise.

Why? If I'm extremely ill and extremely worried and not getting any better than I'll possibly consider going. I don't even know my doctor's name.

They're good for diagnosing things, but that's about it.

They're also good for treating your problems.

One third of the people who are exposed to the flu virus in a given flu season will not report any 'flu' symptoms - either they are resistant (but seroconvert), or they have a low grade influenza infection they call a 'cold.'

Your toxicology is primitive and wrong. Look up the idea of a dose-response curve and get back to us.

Aspirin and alcohol are quite different from heavy metals or chlorinated hydrocarbons. For the average person, a low dose of aspirin is quickly excreted with no toxic effects, and a beer or two are quickly metabolized with no toxic effects. Mercury, Lead, DDT, and dioxin accumulate in the body; they also tend to have a linear dose response, meaning that toxicity (in terms of denaturing proteins, interfering with nerve cells, turning genes on or off in a disruptive way, etc) does occur with essentially every molecule of mercury or lead. Government agencies put limits on these as zero exposure is not possible; this does not mean that zero exposure is not desirable. We can live with some mercury exposure, just as we can live with some amount of smoking/second hand smoke, some number of sunburns, etc. Beings 'able to live with something' doesn't mean it is good.

Oh, and by the way, we don't have to worry about mercury in vaccines, because it is no longer there. Toxicologists admitted that it was probably not a good idea even if it didn't cause autism or any other particular disease. It has been removed!

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THANK YOU for speaking some sense.
Seconded - I fail to see how you can compare things that the body can process easily and quickly, with toxins that accumulate over many years and have been proven to cause major problems with a number of bodily systems.


Only problem is the mercury hasn't been removed. It was meant to be in 1999, but it never was, and then Bush vetoed the removal of it earlier this year. Dork-head. (Not you, him).

The only vaccines that still have mercury in them are certain flu vaccines (you can get them without Thimerosal if you request), and rarely-used antivenin used for black widow spider bites.

And then there are some (MMR) that NEVER had thimerosal in them to begin with.

I guess you didn't hear how he talks about this. Even the last time I heard HIM talk about it, it went something like "And I took the initiative to create the internet". It comes DARN close to saying he did it all. And he was NOT the first to recognize the potential and CERTAINLY not the first politician!

The internet was created earlier, and used by a number of institutions. I have no idea why they didn't allow corporations to really tie into it. Then again, the source(or was it compuserve), fido, a western union network, etc.... had BIG networks, and eventually appeared on the internet. Maybe the internet was always their backbone.



WOW, so you are saying he has to make LOTS of money, and that requires spending money which requires creating polution? INCREDIBLE! OK, let's take your explanation to heart. You just made a case for everyone to create polution(because they have at LEAST as much right as gore), and to SHUTUP(because there is then no point to curtail polution, and talking about it just creates more polution). And you say MY logic is messed up?

He stated in 2004 in his campaign he would support the removal of it. Then, this year, he backed down from that and voila veto.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q= ... toed&meta=

This is a good story on it (read it even if you're not a fan of Alex Jones, and ignore the autism stuff if you don't want to hear ot... whether we like it or not it'll keep cropping up whenever thimerosal is mentioned - I doubt you'd find a news report without mention of a 'possible link'.)
http://www.infowars.net/articles/july20 ... ercury.htm

Or from the respected and brilliant Dr Mercola's website:
http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/ ... 29773.aspx

And then prescribing you drugs from big pharma designed to keep us all sick, needy and unable to think for ourselves.

If I ever need a doctor, I get a diagnosis then go to a homoeopath, osteopath, naturopath, aromatherpist, or acupressure/acupuncturist depending on what the problem is. My doctor in my old country when I was younger would often recommend homoeopathic remedies before drugs... bless her she was lovely. Doubt you'd ever find that in the drug company rep wined-and-dined UK.

A point. The flu can not develop in just 12 hours. I would suggest that the people who came down with the flu inside that time period already had the bug and didn't know it.

Ergo - getting immunized at that point was just asking for trouble. You don't go for a vaccine willy nilly when you are sick anyway.

I would too... if most of them weren't based on quackery.

Sure thing Foresk....I mean Foresam. You are obviously a manipulator yourself and not a good one at that as if you care about our rights us "brain damaged" individuals. Get a real hobby.

What are your hobbies? Do you have any?

Different wiring? I'm not brain damaged and please tell me you don't mean to suggest that all of these little frat boys slipping ruphies into girl's drinks are not brain damaged and are fine upstanding citizens in this world because they took on the right socially approved hobby when once apon a time, our society did not revolve around overly bright ugly lights. There were candles or dim lighting.

Also, can you please tell me what is not limiting about being interested and good at just one hobby like cheerleading or playing football?

Would you consider that brain damage? What makes my hobbies so "limited"? Oh that's it, it's because it doesn't revolve around a bunch of people standing around me telling me what to do, yacking non stop about their own limited interests revolving around things I find very boring.

The point of the matter is that society has pushed people around that aren't into blending in or doing things in their dictating fascist manner so as a result, what would you do if the tables were turned on you? It's all about power and control.

People get scared. People that cannot fathom what it must be like to be an individual and not blend in get scared that oneday their way of life will not be their way only and they will lose money in their invested limited interests such as professional sports.

Millions of dollars for someone to just sit on the sidelines? What for? Education does not matter now does it? There is a balance that is missing. We don't need your greedy scummy politicians controlling education. We need people passionate about education.

Everything has turned so much into how to make an easy profit that it's dumbing down our future generations and you call us brain damaged?

Most doctors do not base their work on quackery. Most doctors base their work on science. A few quacks get all the press. To say most doctors are quacks is like saying most aspies are prone to commit violent acts, like shooting up universities or shopping malls.

How so?

Ok, let's take some cases in point:

1) Every time I would go to classes at one end of our school I'd be a sneezing, wheezing mess. Doctors have no idea what's wrong, despite various tests. Go to a homeopath, she works it out in about 5 minutes, makes up a tincture, problem solved.

2) Eczema. Bad, bad eczema. Doctors can't do anything - they give you every lotion they can think of and nothing works. Go to a colour therapist who works out the food triggers; cut them out, problem disappears within a week. The remaining scars cause problems, which doctor says ignore, the itch will go away. Go to a naturopath, they send me away with a natural herbal remedy to put on it every now and then, it diseappears.

3) Veruccas picked up at a pool so bad they cover the entire heel of my foot and according to doctor, will have to be surgically removed and I'll be left with a hole in my heel and needing crutches for weeks. Go back to homeopath, she gives me a paste to put on it twice a day, plus some drops to take internally, within 4 weeks they're falling off, 6 weeks and they're gone completely with no scar to show for it.

4) Whiplash injury. Very bad, unable to move, in excrutiating pain. Go to osteopath, and they fix it. Perfectly. No more whiplash. Also find an older back injury suffered in childhood that the doctors never picked up on when I was in hospital after the accident. After a few treatments I can move better than I have done in as long as I can remember, and the headaches and sore throats I'd been suffering for years and that had been put down to viruses disappear. Then there's the falling down the stairs that the doctor says it deep tissue and nothing can be done except ice... osteopath fixes it in 2 treatments. Friend has an operation on a gland in her neck, and the doctors damage the vocal chords in the process. She's left with barely any voice, only a whisper. They tell her they'll have to put a camera down her neck to perform exploratory surgery to find the problem. Osteopath presses a few muscles, and suddenly the voice is reappearing. Within 5 treatments it's back to full volume and strength.

I don't go to doctors anymore for anything other than diagnoses. Specially not in the UK - I love my doctor back home, she's lovely and she'll happily prescribe 'alternative' medicines or tell me to see an osteo or someone similar. They don't do that in the UK. Sad.


For the record, osteopaths are actually recognised with the word 'doctor' now and accepted in the medical fraternity as fantastic and highly-qualified. Homeopaths are being better accepted than they were - the science may not be proveable, but the results speak for themselves. Ditto naturopaths and acupuncturists/acupressurists (same thing, one uses needles the other fingers/thumbs).

Why pump that toxic crap into your bodies when you can go to a holistic practioner and get better results without the toxins?