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04 Nov 2010, 9:03 pm

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Generally, WP is full of good people with open minds/hearts. They have given you all sorts of advice and you don't seem to be taking any of it in.
Get a hold of yourself man.
this is basically what i was saying, if you actually go back and read i was helpful to ASS-P and only recently told him to get a clue because he seems to be an emotional scammer. everything, hes complining about hes already said like 4567890 times! for what reasons? we get it. he's in a bad spot, but you can wear out you're welcome by constintly griping about your problems and not doing a thing about them


I don't believe he's in a bad spot at all.

The way he speaks and the whole "I only have 15 minutes at the library, so I have to sh*^ this out!".

If you actually read what he says and how he says it, it's like he's writing from another country - English as a second language (not that that's a bad thing) which adds to the whole "Con Man" issue here.

I honestly think that forum moderators should go back through his posts and see if this whole "won't someone pay me money for being a looser" is a running theme, and if so - kick his ass outa here!



...I am not on drugs , I am not lying about what I am saying here , I am talking , basically anyway , about th very small amount of SS money ( + my payee status ) which has been taken from me , it is not at all very much , but , it is EVERYTHING in my position ! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
I had spent the last yearandahalf-ish trying to deal 3with the EDCM people and hoping things would get better while dealing with waiting for the Dr. Brown mentioned to come back and , yes , being in a somewhat comfortable " homeless/semi-homeless rut " . I decided to get out of it , but with the EDCM people's control I am in a bad position now .
You are trying to have me kicked out , I don't feel , therefore , very kindly inclined towards you.........Yes , I guess I'm a " looser " . Perhaps I don't have Mommy paying/have paid for mmy computer !


OK fella, I'll bite.

First off, I was referring to your initial posts - where pretty much half of your time (7.5 minutes I guess) was spent talking about your diabetic foot and your pain pills. You didn't mention what your pain pills were for, and you didn't mention why your foot was infected.

I do have some medical training; think before you reply.

Lastly, I'm an orphan - mommy doesn't do anything at all for me.



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04 Nov 2010, 9:11 pm

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Some of you people in this thread are about as callous as they come. I find your behavior particularily revolting considering most, if not all, of you have an autistic spectum or related disorder and really ought to know what it's like to be one of society's minority underdogs. Furthermore....I am familiar with the stated personal situations of some of you and like myself, your own circumstances are hardly light years better than ASS-P's. Some of you would be right there on the mean streets with him were it not for your parents, friends, significant others, government assistance, etc.....As for your alleged "proof" that he's running some sort of a scam....that doesn't exist and you know it. It is very possible that he is....but you have no way of proving that.... so stop pretending like you do.


If he is not a scammer....then the last thing he needs is to read a bunch of self-righteous accusations and demeaning, dehumanizing crap. Do you not realize by now that your "bootstraps" and "man-up" rhetoric sounds an awful lot like what ignorant NT's often subject us to? A recent poster referred to ASS-P as a "looser". I hope this poster is at least consistent and voted for the most extreme right-wing, social darwinist, self-serving, self-entitled, hedonistic, nihilistic and sadistic republican candidates in the recent election. Further still....I hope this poster does not call themselves a christian because they have naught in common with Jesus Christ and he might just reject you on the judgment day :x



NONE of you have the slightest idea of this man's life story. You know NOTHING about the extent and nature of his mental/neurological and physical conditions. You know NOTHING about his life experiences....they may well be experiences that would freeze your very blood. Yet aside from your advice that maybe,through no fault of his own, he hasn't applied, none of you can offer him anything except verbal abuse and derogatory name-calling. This sort of cruelty is wholly unacceptable any way you slice it and some of you ought to be greatly ashamed of yourselves. Let's say he is in the exact situation he claims to be and IS trying to get money or some other assistance from us. Ask yourselves what you would do if your circumstances were similar or identical. I guess all of you are too saintly and "strong" to ask for shelter when the wolf is howling at your feet eh??? :roll:


If you do not wish to offer him any assistance because you believe he's a scammer or that he's just irresponsible...fair enough. Heck....even if you don't wish to offer him assistance simply because you're selfish...I have no beef with that either. If that is the case however.....I don't understand what's so difficult about simply keeping your big self-righteous traps shut rather than offering him a bunch of opprobriums which are likely motivated by your own petty and vulgar malice and not "tough love" or something.


May I remind some of you that the whirlpool of idiotic and unfounded invectives you have hurled against ASS-P all stem from the implicit and arrogant belief in free will? Since some of you in this group like to flaunt your f**king IQ scores as if they're some sort of badge of honor or something, may I also remind you that Einstein was a determinist and so were, or are, countless other geniuses? I can assure you of one thing at least...."free will" (assuming humans have any in the first place)....had little or nothing to do with your IQ scores. As an atheist determinist myself....I would still call a high IQ a blessing in the figurative sense. So instead of sitting in front of your computer screen like a bunch of cowardly and self-satisfied little worms hurling abuse and disingenous "tough love" rhetoric at someone who is likely in situation which would drive you to suicide, why don't you say, "but for the grace of god...there go I" and then consider using whatever talents you possess to better the lives of others???


A novel idea I know.....but one that, if humans ever actually begin to apply, might just (horror of horrors!! ! :roll: ) make this world a kinder and gentler place for all....yourselves included.


If there was something I could do to help ASS-P....I would. I currently have $69.00 to my name however and FORTUNATELY for me, I live with family who currently provides all my basic living expenses. Hopefully OVR will able to find me a job before the end of the month. If not.....i'm just going to have to look for one on my own and i'm sure some of you realize how difficult that can be for people with Asperger's/ASDs/NLD and similar disorders. There's always the wonderful decision of whether to "disclose or not to disclose", just to mention one thing. At least the employers that OVR sends you to know what to expect and are obviously willing to hire people with ASDs and maybe other disabilities in general. In any case....there is nothing I CAN do for ASS-P at the moment.


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A few weeks ago....I told you that Key West, Florida might be a better option in terms of a location which is relatively commodious for the homeless. On second thought....i'm not so sure about this for several reasons. For one thing, if you have a diabetic foot wound, it may be more likely to become infected in the hothouse humid subtropical/tropical climate of South Florida. Also....sleeping outdoors would likely be more agreeable for you in Key West FROM NOV-APR. From May-Oct....even the nighttime low temps usually don't fall below 80 degrees in Key West and the humidity is simply beastly. That is the rainy season as well and it often rains hard enough for the streets to flood. There are also alot of insects and the mosquitoes in particular may be of significant concern to the homeless in Key West right now. We have had several cases of Dengue fever in South Florida in recent years and AFAIK, the majority of these cases occured in the Florida Keys. While Dengue fever is an extremely unpleasant thing for anyone, I would guess it could very well be fatal for someone in your stated condition.


Also....I honestly don't think I could find you a job in Key West as I don't think there's much you can do in your condition. Job opportunities are limited there (as they are everywhere right now) and for someone like you, most jobs that you may qualify for in Key West would entail some significant physical labor which you don't seem capable of handling at this time. Beyond this...I honestly don't know what to tell you other than what many others have told you in this thread and others that you've started. Please ignore the posters who have criticized you in such an unworthy, unnecessary and unfounded way. They are likely people with a poor self-peception who feel the need to demean and criticize others in order to feel better about themselves. I have a few friends here in South Florida who MIGHT be willing to take you in for at least some period of time. I know they would be UNABLE to do so now though since their own financial situations are precarious at best. At any rate....I sincerely hope something works out for you soon and if I could, I would do whatever takes to get you into a more stable and agreeable situation. I am a step away from homeless myself right now though and there's just nothing I can offer you aside from moral support. That being said, feel free to PM me anytime you wish to. :)


Yawn - you said what?

Something about pm'ing you right?

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04 Nov 2010, 9:16 pm

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He's been in here more than 15 minutes. and i cant understand anything he says, apparently if you ask tahitiii its because hes only online for 15 minutes! i mean what a joke

i think hes an oppurtunist. someone mentioned that he should ask for money, (aspie guy)
and he did it



RichardBenson....do you mind if I ask you who or what is supporting you at the moment?


Do you have a job?


From what I can glean from your posts.....you are primarily supported by family and/or government assistance of some kind. If so and if this support was taken away from you...exactly how well do you think you'd fare on the streets??? For one thing...i've seen pics of you and you hardly look like a very physically intimidating person. That alone is likely to make you vunerable to various predatory individuals if you were homeless.

You have made your point several times already. The fact that I think it is stupid, callous, disingenous and not supported by sufficient evidence is immaterial. The fact that you are now being redundant likely for no other reason than having nothing better to do is not. IOW....why don't you STFU already and leave ASS-P alone?


Horus, stop gobbing off, and put your money where your over worked mouth is.

If you honestly believe that ASS-P is on the level, then go ahead and invite that lovely soul to your house - surely you have a sofa he can sleep on!

How about his roll out (he's all thumbs) bed roll? He could lay in the hall while you sleep!

The point that I'm making is that you could find a few square feet for the guy you are vehemently defending - so go right ahead!

I'll watch the nightly news for your statistic.



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04 Nov 2010, 10:15 pm

Missing every point again, as usual. No, we've never met in person.
We live on opposite coasts. It was a figure of speech.

Why are you guessing at possible problems that no one has even suggested?
Why are you guessing anything at all? Why are you here?
You can push the button to "Stop watching this topic" any time you like.

What do you want? What will you gain? Why are you here?



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04 Nov 2010, 11:17 pm

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He's been in here more than 15 minutes. and i cant understand anything he says, apparently if you ask tahitiii its because hes only online for 15 minutes! i mean what a joke

i think hes an oppurtunist. someone mentioned that he should ask for money, (aspie guy)
and he did it



RichardBenson....do you mind if I ask you who or what is supporting you at the moment?


Do you have a job?


From what I can glean from your posts.....you are primarily supported by family and/or government assistance of some kind. If so and if this support was taken away from you...exactly how well do you think you'd fare on the streets??? For one thing...i've seen pics of you and you hardly look like a very physically intimidating person. That alone is likely to make you vunerable to various predatory individuals if you were homeless.

You have made your point several times already. The fact that I think it is stupid, callous, disingenous and not supported by sufficient evidence is immaterial. The fact that you are now being redundant likely for no other reason than having nothing better to do is not. IOW....why don't you STFU already and leave ASS-P alone?


Horus, stop gobbing off, and put your money where your over worked mouth is.

If you honestly believe that ASS-P is on the level, then go ahead and invite that lovely soul to your house - surely you have a sofa he can sleep on!

How about his roll out (he's all thumbs) bed roll? He could lay in the hall while you sleep!

The point that I'm making is that you could find a few square feet for the guy you are vehemently defending - so go right ahead!

I'll watch the nightly news for your statistic.


I already made it abundantly clear that I have no money to offer. I honestly don't know if he's "on the level" or not. I have also made that quite clear. Neither do you and Richard Benson, but you're both acting as though you do. I would advise you not to quit your day job btw. Your feeble attempt at humor here is really about as predictable and prosaic as it gets. :roll:

I also made it clear that i'm supported by my parents. So now that's something you can disparge me for and label me a "looser" too. Next time you might wish to spell L-O-S-E-R correctly though lest people start thinking you're not such a "winner" yourself. At any rate....I have no say-so in regards to allowing ANYONE to stay here for a day, let alone a few weeks or months. My mother surely wouldn't offer a homeless stranger a place to stay, so obviously there is nothing I CAN DO for ASS-P. When I was living on my own....I did let a homeless friend of mine stay with me for several months. In all honesty, I probably wouldn't let ANY stranger stay in my home irrespective of whether they are homeless or not. I never said I would in this thread or anywhere else. I never expected anyone else to do anything like that either or help ASS-P in anyway.

I only had three problems with what you, RB and a few other people here have said in this thread. They are as follows:


-The obviously ineffectual "tough love" lectures which may be disingenous in the first place. Even if they're not, they are clearly not doing ASS-P any good and NONE of you have the SLIGHTEST F**KING IDEA whether he has any control over that or not!! !

-The knee-jerk accusations some of you have made against ASS-P without anything close to sufficient evidence to back them up.


-The totally unwarranted name-calling and the demeaning, dehumanizing, condescending, self-righteous and downright cruel tone of the posts some of you have directed towards him.

If neither you nor Benson can understand my grievances here by now....so be it. This is the last post I waste on your sorry a**es!! ! :x



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04 Nov 2010, 11:29 pm

Name calling? amazing. I've been called, A Psychopath, troll, Brainless monkey, Has a Wooden Head
(and if anyone has it you certainly do) hmm. what else?

All because I told this guy to help himself.

So what if we dont know what he's going through? to counter your argument you dont either!
So its moot. If we know *anything* in here its that ASS-P loves, to complain!

And this is what I've been adressing the entire time Horus.

if you would stop taking it so freaking personal.
nobody is going to make fun of you because you live with your parents :roll:

nothing i said is, "name-calling and the demeaning, dehumanizing, condescending, self-righteous and downright cruel tone of the posts some of you have directed towards him"

Telling someone to stop complaining and help themselves is nothing of the sort.

Do you get it now? probably not!


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05 Nov 2010, 2:35 pm

Fixer_Girl wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
Fixer_Girl wrote:
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Generally, WP is full of good people with open minds/hearts. They have given you all sorts of advice and you don't seem to be taking any of it in.
Get a hold of yourself man.
this is basically what i was saying, if you actually go back and read i was helpful to ASS-P and only recently told him to get a clue because he seems to be an emotional scammer. everything, hes complining about hes already said like 4567890 times! for what reasons? we get it. he's in a bad spot, but you can wear out you're welcome by constintly griping about your problems and not doing a thing about them


I don't believe he's in a bad spot at all.

The way he speaks and the whole "I only have 15 minutes at the library, so I have to sh*^ this out!".

If you actually read what he says and how he says it, it's like he's writing from another country - English as a second language (not that that's a bad thing) which adds to the whole "Con Man" issue here.

I honestly think that forum moderators should go back through his posts and see if this whole "won't someone pay me money for being a looser" is a running theme, and if so - kick his ass outa here!



...I am not on drugs , I am not lying about what I am saying here , I am talking , basically anyway , about th very small amount of SS money ( + my payee status ) which has been taken from me , it is not at all very much , but , it is EVERYTHING in my position ! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
I had spent the last yearandahalf-ish trying to deal 3with the EDCM people and hoping things would get better while dealing with waiting for the Dr. Brown mentioned to come back and , yes , being in a somewhat comfortable " homeless/semi-homeless rut " . I decided to get out of it , but with the EDCM people's control I am in a bad position now .
You are trying to have me kicked out , I don't feel , therefore , very kindly inclined towards you.........Yes , I guess I'm a " looser " . Perhaps I don't have Mommy paying/have paid for mmy computer !


OK fella, I'll bite.

First off, I was referring to your initial posts - where pretty much half of your time (7.5 minutes I guess) was spent talking about your diabetic foot and your pain pills. You didn't mention what your pain pills were for, and you didn't mention why your foot was infected.

I do have some medical training; think before you reply.

Lastly, I'm an orphan - mommy doesn't do anything at all for me.



...I'm sorry that I made a reference to your " mommy " since you are an orphan . I apologize for that .
( I believe I did put " perhaps " there " . )
I don't have time to re-read even all my posts here , I believe I said a little but not every detail about my wound/foot/pills .
Actually , you having some medical training doesn't really directly relate to that anyway , although it is worthy of note , and for all I know there are other posters here who have some medical training too .



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05 Nov 2010, 2:55 pm

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...I'm uncertain whether I could create a PayPal now , my debit is essentially , 100% , empty , and I wonder whether a library computer can access such sites , I'm uncertain whether any retail places would let me deposit or cash out of it ( the d. c. ) except the check-cashing chain I bought it at , which I am not sure yet is represented on this side of the Bay .
This is my USPS address...
Walter L. Lilly
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2000 Allston Street
Berkeley , CA ,
97404-9998
Frankly , if anyone is inclined towards $ :D , maybe sending " well-concealed cash " ( Or , am I trying to be " the old punk-rock/fanzine dude " ? ) might be ( Or United States Post Office money orders ? But does the USPS even issue them anymmore ? Plus , seriously , in re-checking the address Yelp , etc. , had umpteen ( Well...kind of :lol: . ) complaints about the alleged inefficency and over-crowdedness of this particular P.O. though , I should say , they were okay when I went there to establish my GD address... 8) ) the way to do it , at least until I have enough $ to , perhaps , get a new bank account/a debit card from it ( Needing to feel decent in cleaner clothers first - BTW , I am like XX Large on the trunk side , and not dissimilar in the wist , so 2nd-hand clothes have , in fact , been a problem for me :? ...) .
I am supposed to present some letters addressed to me SOON to the library here to keep my library card , too , actually , a GD PO isn't enough...If worst->worst* , maybe rent some private PO Box ( That doesn't have the telltale USPS address - Which is one block up from the library :? ) and try to pass that as an address , but , even before that , even mail addrssed to me ( Whether $ or not :D ) could be helpful in " establishing an identity " , as I said...Don't expect a USPS reply , if you do so...( And maybe you'll be pleasantly suprised :lol: **!)
In other words , I can receive mail at the USPS GD address outlined above , I'll just say it right here , and , if you are inclined to donate , maybe - what I said , above - might be more achieveable than a PayPal account , which I don't have and , as I said , both the carrying out of and the fulfilling it could be dodgy :? ...


*-" If worst comes to worst " , hah hah hah hah hah hah .
**-Gotta say THAT...!...Right ?




...Now , I'm re-quoting this older one .
As of now , my glasses have started to come apart , (drugstore glasses) as in one of the ear-holer-uppers coming off , which also puts the spikyish bit of metal revealed uncomfortably close to my eye , even as I try to balance it .
My clothes are dirtier still . :(
Now , IT IS SIMPLY THAT MY SS MONEY HAS BEEN ( okay , okay...no more capitals for now :) :oops: ) siphoned by the EDCM people , they have , at last report , about 2.40 complete checks worth of my money !
Had I that $ and my payee status back , perhaps I would " go to a smaller town " , etcetera , or go somewhere .
As of now , with the lack of my money , I am desperate ( Even tho I am able to access the library computers , thus this letter . ) .
Yes , for immediate " band-aids " , so to speak , I am trying to get money .
I am working on other things , but the lack of money makes me base-less at this moment , unable to do anything .
I had left SF to get out of the county where EDCM had so much control - and was attempting to get more :x ) - and where , incidentally , the SF SS office had said that they would replace my stolen Medical card for me , said a new one would be sent - and then they never did it :x . This isn't about EDCM .
I said that I would no longer reply to a certain person :x but being told that this person , who goes out of his way to mock me to such extent that he made a cut-down of a nasty post directed at me his sig , " lives the life he sings about in his song " :lol: of bootstraps to the extent that he lives on SS - He just didn't have someone else interfering with it . - and , for all I know , may have had a " special deal " to free up the ca$h for even a laptop and have some to spend on being a WP supporter - Well , my , my , my , self-reliance ! !! !! !! !! !! :P
I am trying to get away from the undesireable situation of EDCM , the general rut I'd been in in SF , while still dealing with the ( There's already been an amputation from it . ) foot/diabetes situation , and am rather stuck in lift-off .
Yes . I could use some help .
I did , obviously , ask that , and I'm not lying in the things that I said :) 8) .



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Furthermore....how do know you no one else here asked for money? I seem to recall one poster who did recently just because he supposedly didn't have the money to go visit his supposedly ill girlfriend who may or may not exist in the first place. That poster was hardly in as desperate a situation as ASS-P appears to be.



Actually it was another user that started a thread for that other user offering donations for him so he can go see his online girlfriend. He took the donations and now some people also think it was a scam because he failed to respond to his thread to update it and when he said he won't have internet for the next week, yet he was on his facebook and myspace and had in is status he was playing his video games but never came back here. That person still has the guts to keep posting here. I was even positive sure it was a scam and now I am not so sure anymore. He did offer to return the money when he finally came back and members here told him to keep it and he also said his GF's mother told him to not come out right now to see her.



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Furthermore....how do know you no one else here asked for money? I seem to recall one poster who did recently just because he supposedly didn't have the money to go visit his supposedly ill girlfriend who may or may not exist in the first place. That poster was hardly in as desperate a situation as ASS-P appears to be.



Actually it was another user that started a thread for that other user offering donations for him so he can go see his online girlfriend. He took the donations and now some people also think it was a scam because he failed to respond to his thread to update it and when he said he won't have internet for the next week, yet he was on his facebook and myspace and had in is status he was playing his video games but never came back here. That person still has the guts to keep posting here. I was even positive sure it was a scam and now I am not so sure anymore. He did offer to return the money when he finally came back and members here told him to keep it and he also said his GF's mother told him to not come out right now to see her.




Yeah I know all about it. Sorry I failed to mention it was another user who started the thread in his behalf, but I just didn't think it was germane to the discussion at hand. At any rate....I ought to be familiar with the user in question since i'm one of the people who sent him money. In retrospect....it WAS foolish of me to do, but he DID seem quite sincere initially. To this day....I really don't know if he was or not. I honestly don't care either....it was a loss of $20.00 and it will be the last time I ever send money to anyone who asks for it over the internet. I have not asked him for my money back....i'm just too indifferent to the whole affair for it to even be on my radar screen. If one of you wants to ask him for my lousy $20.00 back....you can keep it.....lol. Now I would send SOME people money if I was a multi-millionaire and had it to burn. In that case....i'd just give them the benefit of the doubt and if they turn out to be frauds.... so be it. Who cares when you can roll your cigars out of hundred dollar bills? I am down to $69.00 to my name though, at least until the end of the month. So no one will be getting blood from this stone anytime soon even if they are starving on my doorstep.



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05 Nov 2010, 7:30 pm

...I'm in a little bit better of a mood now ( while still on the " al fresco bohemianism " scene 8) ) and the post I added to my "...college " thread , serving to , boringly practically , point out some troubles with dramatic concepts ( said over the Web to someone you don't know ) will , guess , be my last posting to-day ! !! !! !! !! :P



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ASS-P Gooooo Awaaaay


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