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That you are contemptible? No argument from me on that.

This passive aggressiveness is what I'm referring to. What you are calling 'twisting facts' may actually be other people trying to express what they heard in your words and are asking for clarification. They aren't TRYING to twist your facts - they have interpretted your words incorrectly and are looking for clarification. You are interpretting those posts, looking for clarification, as affronts and they simply are not. People are trying to engage you and understand the content of what you are trying to say.

Yes, it is a communication difficulty - all around.

You my friend are completely incorrigable. We can always count on you to rouse the rabbles.

Okay... so HOW do YOU "work sincerly for the good of Autistic?" You have stated several times how you are "in the front lines" and "working closely with ASAN. In fact you were surprised that we haven't met you are so closely associated with ASAN. So you MUST be doing something that you can share with us. This isn't about bragging but about sharing Best Known Methods. I do not share to brag. It is to help us align. We need to work TOGETHER not apart. Tell us what to do that will bring us TOGETHER. The WE is greater than the ME.

With respect to your bolded letters. I know that I have my own life in great oder but this isn't about ME. THAT is the point. My own success is, in part, why I am in "high demand" right now and what makes me unique. I am seeking the best avenue to share my knowledge and help the Autistic people. I was recently diagnosed but am already spreading change and affecting the lives of Autistic people via the programs that I have started. I want to grow this somehow. What do your propose I do? What are you doing that is a better alternative?

You seem to have some sort of knowledge. Please share.

Were your respect something that I desired, your contempt would wound me. But, alas, any energy you expend sustaining such negativity fails to impinge upon my consciousness in the least.

Nah...DEFINATELY twisting facts like, for example interpreting:



as


...coming from an individual who regularly shows a high level of articulacy...

Incidentally, you do realise that calling someone a troll and then, when they show no interest in the bait, informing them that they are offended when you call them a troll probably defines, not only unambiguous personal insult, but also passive aggression...yet you seem to find it totally acceptable behaviour.

What a double standard.

That is something I do not intend to discuss with you.



No, I stated *once* that I associate with ASAN a lot and was surprised I had not come across you. Totally different meaning, but then you know that, don't you?






I certainly do not think we need to work together, in fact it is clear that we have vastly different goals and a vastly different ethos. On a more personal level I absolutely refuse to even attempt to work with you, as there is an irreconcilable personality clash that would be counterproductive in any context.

I think that answers the rest too?

That's nice dear.

uh... I see...

Thanks for everything. It has been a pleasure.

Nah...DEFINATELY twisting facts like, for example interpreting:



as


wow.

I'm not sure how I twisted the MEANING of your words even if I didn't express them verbatim. I merely stated that you said you used the bolded words to 'clarify your meaning' and that the 'meaning' what was needed explaining. I was trying to point out where the misunderstanding was between two people - not trying to point out that you were somehow wrong.



A compliment coated in a thick layer of sarcasm - that is some mighty fine passive-aggressiveness and a prime example of how someone may take your comments as an attack. I am not attacking you yet you seem to be taking my words as just that. My apologies if you feel I have been attacking you in some way. That is not my intent.



wavefreak and I have gone around a few times before. I think he has an idea of how I feel. I do not find the 'T' word acceptable and I regularly jump in when I think misunderstandings are derailing otherwise good conversations. My comment about him wasn't an endorsement of his behavior - I was simply calling him out for it. It is who he is and what he does - I don't hold that against him or expect him to change. He usually only pulls the 'T' word out in heated conversations when the dialogue starts breaking down (but not always). I don't approve of the 'T' word in any circumstance but ESPECIALLY when its clearly not warranted - like in this conversation. You are clearly not trolling.

My attempt to good naturedly poke wavefreak for his use of the 'T' word was taken as something it was not. As you can see, I am more than willing to explain myself and my intentions. I also do not always make my point clear. Again, all I'm asking is that everyone give each other the benefit of the doubt. kfisherx and wavefreak have heard this from me before in other threads.

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Please share with the rest of the community, if you don't mind, too.

I sincerely, would like to hear your opinions and I'm sure they would be of value to others reading the discussion.

Many of us have outlined what we see are the pros and cons of the assistance currently provided for Autistic people. We have stood and listened to opposing opinions.

You want be doing it just for me, it will be of value to everyone else.

None of it even needs to be associated with what Autism Speaks does. I'm sure there are many things that need to be done that none of us have even considered. That is were opposing views are the most effective, in gaining new knowledge.

Anyway, I do have a life and I would like to get back to it now, so I hope I have convinced you all of the following:

*I have no confidence in any of you and that is not negotiable
*I am not open to assimilation by, or evangelism from "Autism Speaks", and that is not negotiable.
*I know that "Autism Speaks" needs token Autistics to sustain credibility in the long term.
*I know Autistics need "Autism Speaks" like a hole in the head.
*I know anyone associated with "Autism Speaks" is unworthy of my respect.

...and there are tens, even hundreds of thousands just like me, and our numbers are growing every day, and we will still be around when "Autism Speaks" and affiliates are just a very small sick joke tucked in the back of the same drawer as Thersenstadt...

...as some of you don't seem to have been listening the first time...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff_bL-2koP8[/youtube]

So now I'm an ungulate?

PS. 'bye!

You've convinced me that you have a very rigid point of view. But, that's okay. I've had one most of my life, and am learning to bend a little now.

At least I learned a little more about ABA as a result of your entrance into the conversation. I like to learn new things and hear new ideas. That made it worthwhile for me.

Would of liked to have learned more about the positive things you do for autism, but understand you must get back to your life. Good luck to you, and there is no need for you as an individual to be associated with any particular organization to make good things happen for Autistics. I hope you are successful in your endeavor there.

<In my best Steve Erkle voice>

Did I do that?