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23 Jan 2013, 1:30 pm

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But you didn't answer what kind of negativity we're talking about :/


Well since I'm clearly outnumber here.


That's really confusing. How do you see my question as an attack when I'm only trying to figure out exactly what you want because you wouldn't answer it?


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23 Jan 2013, 1:31 pm

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Actually my claim is very substantial, your on an autism support site, where insensitivity comes in many clinical forms, as well as co morbid with depression.

If one lacks a generally empathetic perceptions, it's near impossible for one to explain it to them if they lack that perception.

It's basic understanding of our condition.

Of course this is not one to one, there are many that are more adversely effected.

It is insubstantial insofar as you have failed to supplement it with evidence. Data. Numbers. Whatever you want to call it. Until you can do so, there is no reason we should take it seriously, especially since you appear to be in the minority with your opinions*.

*Not to say that having a minority opinion guarantees that you are wrong, by the way. But, in the absence of evidence, it is a moderately reliable indicator.



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23 Jan 2013, 1:33 pm

As usual the pattern is this

I disagree and until you invest your time and effort - I will continue to do so. Even after your produce evidence i will still be free to use bias and fallacy at my will and you will have still wasted your time.

This approach is so much easier than looking into matters yourself.

Lets call it "outsourced thinking".



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23 Jan 2013, 1:34 pm

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on 2, you are frankly incorrect. the site helps some people and for other people it makes their depression worse. it isn't a one-size-fits-all scenario. the site isn't intended as such, but many people can and do benefit from the way it is now.

maybe you could start a poll in The Haven or General Autism Discussion and ask who has benefited and who has not? it may be eye-opening for you. your perspective is not really accurate.


That's because the site is dominated by posters that are not as severely effected by it as others are.


I have no denial that, being able to vent openly without restriction regardless of the thread or context is cathartic and therapeutic for those that post here, but it's obvious that for a larger audience it is not.

If you turn off the heat in a building, and after a month there's only 1 person out of 300 complaining, that does not mean the building that is warm, it simply means that only those that can withstand the cold will frequent it.

no, it's not, actually (the bolded part). i am not going to go into details as i feel that few members want to be characterised as lower functioning, but your assumption is frankly off the mark.

you don't really know how the majority feel anyway :shrug:. nobody knows that.

@answeraspergers, you have some of the most negative posts on the site, so it surprises me that you are pushing this idea. you have repeatedly attacked members for disagreeing with you on other threads. it was you that called a member "ignorant" for not agreeing with you, for example.


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23 Jan 2013, 1:35 pm

kamiyu910 wrote:
Stoek wrote:
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But you didn't answer what kind of negativity we're talking about :/


Well since I'm clearly outnumber here.


That's really confusing. How do you see my question as an attack when I'm only trying to figure out exactly what you want because you wouldn't answer it?


I don't see it as an attack, I simply have more people on one side of a debate than another.

I can't respond a multiple times faster than the people replying to me, so I must acknowledge that I'm outnumbered.

I don't have the time to respond to each and every post with detailed analysis.



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23 Jan 2013, 1:36 pm

answeraspergers wrote:
As usual the pattern is this

I disagree and until you invest your time and effort - I will continue to do so

This approach is so much easier than looking into matters yourself.

Lets call it "outsourced thinking".
Let's call it burdon of proof lies with the accuser.
I have been to antarctica, Spain, and to space. Now it is your job to prove I have/have not been to those places :D


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23 Jan 2013, 1:37 pm

answeraspergers wrote:
As usual the pattern is this

I disagree and until you invest your time and effort - I will continue to do so. Even after your produce evidence i will still be free to use bias and fallacy at my will and you will have still wasted your time.

This approach is so much easier than looking into matters yourself.

Lets call it "outsourced thinking".

Please direct me to where evidence has been produced on this thread. I may have missed it. Until then, however, your criticism of my or anyone else's behavior is invalid.

Also, weren't you supposed to be playing tennis?



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23 Jan 2013, 1:37 pm

Stoek wrote:
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Stoek wrote:
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But you didn't answer what kind of negativity we're talking about :/


Well since I'm clearly outnumber here.


That's really confusing. How do you see my question as an attack when I'm only trying to figure out exactly what you want because you wouldn't answer it?


I don't see it as an attack, I simply have more people on one side of a debate than another.

I can't respond a multiple times faster than the people replying to me, so I must acknowledge that I'm outnumbered.

I don't have the time to respond to each and every post with detailed analysis.


I'm not on either side, although you're not helping your case very much by responding to me telling me you're not going to respond to me???


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23 Jan 2013, 1:39 pm

kamiyu910 wrote:
Stoek wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:
Stoek wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:

But you didn't answer what kind of negativity we're talking about :/


Well since I'm clearly outnumber here.


That's really confusing. How do you see my question as an attack when I'm only trying to figure out exactly what you want because you wouldn't answer it?


I don't see it as an attack, I simply have more people on one side of a debate than another.

I can't respond a multiple times faster than the people replying to me, so I must acknowledge that I'm outnumbered.

I don't have the time to respond to each and every post with detailed analysis.


I'm not on either side, although you're not helping your case very much by responding to me telling me you're not going to respond to me???

i will try to respond to you, I simply cannot respond to every post you may make.

Again the negativity I've redefined as venting.

The people on the oppose side agree that is venting is useful, so I cannot believe they aren't aware of this action.

The real debate it would seem at this point is whether or not, venting, should be permitted on general discussions, especially in threads where it is not required.



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23 Jan 2013, 1:40 pm

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you have some of the most negative posts on the site
- Nonsense as always

I dont know what idea you are claiming Im pushing either - Ive not shared my ideas with you.

You AGAIN fail to see the context - That was a reply and quote policy with the word ignorant - i believe you pitch at the right level. Pathetic example and context change as you like to do. Was i the first to use the term? Was it random? No. It was a response to them calling the counter view "ignorant".



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23 Jan 2013, 1:41 pm

Stoek wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:
Stoek wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:
Stoek wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:

But you didn't answer what kind of negativity we're talking about :/


Well since I'm clearly outnumber here.


That's really confusing. How do you see my question as an attack when I'm only trying to figure out exactly what you want because you wouldn't answer it?


I don't see it as an attack, I simply have more people on one side of a debate than another.

I can't respond a multiple times faster than the people replying to me, so I must acknowledge that I'm outnumbered.

I don't have the time to respond to each and every post with detailed analysis.


I'm not on either side, although you're not helping your case very much by responding to me telling me you're not going to respond to me???

i will try to respond to you, I simply cannot respond to every post you may make.

Again the negativity I've redefined as venting.

The people on the oppose side agree that is venting is useful, so I cannot believe they aren't aware of this action.

The real debate it would seem at this point is whether or not, venting, should be permitted on general discussions, especially in threads where it is not required.


Not required by you you mean?



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23 Jan 2013, 1:42 pm

I studied law - i know what the burden of proof it

Off to tennis.

For those screaming inside at this thread - go do smth fun. Thats my plan.



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23 Jan 2013, 1:43 pm

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I studied law - i know what the burden of proof it

Off to tennis.

For those screaming inside at this thread - go do smth fun. Thats my plan.
It does not seem you understand what burden of proof means if you believe that it is "outsourced thinking".


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23 Jan 2013, 1:45 pm

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I have no denial that, being able to vent openly without restriction regardless of the thread or context is cathartic and therapeutic for those that post here, but it's obvious that for a larger audience it is not.

If you turn off the heat in a building, and after a month there's only 1 person out of 300 complaining, that does not mean the building that is warm, it simply means that only those that can withstand the cold will frequent it.

no, it's not, actually (the bolded part). i am not going to go into details as i feel that few members want to be characterised as lower functioning, but your assumption is frankly off the mark.

you don't really know how the majority feel anyway :shrug:. nobody knows that.

@answeraspergers, you have some of the most negative posts on the site, so it surprises me that you are pushing this idea. you have repeatedly attacked members for disagreeing with you on other threads. it was you that called a member "ignorant" for not agreeing with you, for example.
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I agree that there are a few members who want to be characterized as lower functioning and act like it.

Then it's maybe i am older and thus see younger teeny boppers as immature sometimes? So see i don't know what to make of my opinions yet it does seem some want others to think they are less functioning for whatever reason.

I tried to word this to no avail on another post, and my opinions were attacked by a post. Yet if they needed clarification they should have asked. My wording is not always the best. I try though...

ps- i have put "qoute" for the qouted as i had trouble snipping qoutings



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23 Jan 2013, 1:46 pm

So, am I right in assuming that this:

Stoek wrote:
The real debate it would seem at this point is whether or not, venting, should be permitted on general discussions, especially in threads where it is not required.

is an answer to this?:
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That doesn't entirely answer my question. What solutions do you have to bring to the table?

If such is the case, this would definitely be something to take up with the moderators. Alex himself, really, if you want to establish it as a new forum rule. However, I doubt that they'll accept it, as it doesn't seem to be a very popular idea.



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23 Jan 2013, 1:47 pm

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The general page is too full of venting, not only on the threads that are openly shown to belong in the haven, but also when they crop up in threads where there was no invitation for such unloading.

If you need help identifying when your unloading I'd be more than happy to help you.


There have been several threads in General where people expressed relief at not being under any social pressure here to put on a positive front. That is a strong attraction for me too. A cheerful facade can be draining and it is a relief to find a place where that social expectation isn't in effect. There are rules for posting of course. You can't say literally anything. But remaining positive has never been one of the requirements for posting and for many people (me included, although I am NT, but I do share some of the problems people describe) the freedom from having to wear a cheerful facade is a big advantage here. Of course some people have never been able to construct that facade in the first place and have gotten lots of flak for that from others in real life interactions. They have expressed considerable relief for not being told to "cheer up" here and not being shunned for being a "downer". I am able to keep up the facade so I don't get shunned but still it's a relief to let it down here. It's ironic to have such a long thread devoted to telling people that they should put that facade right back up- or confine themselves to the Haven if they are unable to construct such a facade.