Is self-diagnosis okay/valid/a good thing?

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Is self-diagnosis okay/valid/a good thing?
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11 Dec 2014, 7:45 pm

Eloa wrote:
This analyzation I do not understand as it is known that autistic people focus onto detail and miss "big picture".

In this thread are many implications which adress traits of autistic people to be - if I interpret it right - "bad" or unwished in conversation.

Especially adressed to focus onto detail, rigidity in thinking, lack of Theory of Mind.

Why is it so?


I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking.

Most people posting here have some difficulties with communication. But not everyone has the exact same difficulties or the same traits. Sometimes they clash.



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11 Dec 2014, 7:56 pm

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To use someone leaving the forum as an example of potential danger of expressing one's views could be seen as blanketing the right to free speech and a form of scaremongering.


I suppose it can be seen that way, but it doesn't have to be. I didn't see it that way.

What purpose does it serve to see it that way?

The right to free speech does not have to be exercised and proven at every opportunity. I know I have the right to speak my mind pretty much whenever I want to, but that doesn't mean I will always choose to do so. I don't feel like my rights are being threatened just because someone disagrees with me, or dislikes what I have to say, or doesn't want to discuss something with me.



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11 Dec 2014, 8:03 pm

dianthus wrote:
sonicallysensitive wrote:
To use someone leaving the forum as an example of potential danger of expressing one's views could be seen as blanketing the right to free speech and a form of scaremongering.


I suppose it can be seen that way, but it doesn't have to be. I didn't see it that way.

What purpose does it serve to see it that way?

The right to free speech does not have to be exercised and proven at every opportunity. I know I have the right to speak my mind pretty much whenever I want to, but that doesn't mean I will always choose to do so. I don't feel like my rights are being threatened just because someone disagrees with me, or dislikes what I have to say, or doesn't want to discuss something with me.


Quite.

Hence it's best to keep points related to self-diagnosis on a thread related to self-diagnosis.



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11 Dec 2014, 9:10 pm

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It's a pity that someone was "driven away" because of a debate. I feel bad about that, actually. Debates shouldn't get to the point where people personally abuse others (ad hominem attacks)


I don't, I feel utterly indifferent.

Whoever this supposed person is, it's not anybody I've lashed out or personally insulted. It's entirely their own decision, just as it would be entirely my own decision if I decided to leave WP - for whatever reason.



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11 Dec 2014, 9:18 pm

Please let me emphasize. There's no one to blame.

I was just stating generalities.

I don't see any point where, in an objective sense, somebody should have been "driven" from the Forum. I certainly wouldn't have been.

But there are people who are rather sensitive on this Site. This is not to say that a healthy debate is not healthy, though.

It's sad, though, that the person was "driven" from the Site--because this is a good Site.



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11 Dec 2014, 10:04 pm

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If there were no debates or topical discussions on wp, then I wouldn't be here, as it would be too boring.


Same. :rambo:

@Kraftie - I love your new avatar, it's very suave. Guess you could say the weather over there is 'hot' today.


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11 Dec 2014, 10:14 pm

Somebody on the Forum sent me this. It's the same guy that was there previously, but clearer.

He looks a little like me. I don't have the strong chin. My hair is graying. The eyes are that color, though. My glasses are kind of similar to those glasses. My smile is somewhat similar, too.

I've been "self-diagnosed" as a nut since I was a little kid.



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11 Dec 2014, 10:19 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Somebody on the Forum sent me this. It's the same guy that was there previously, but clearer.

He looks a little like me. I don't have the strong chin. My hair is graying. The eyes are that color, though. My glasses are kind of similar to those glasses. My smile is somewhat similar, too.

I've been "self-diagnosed" as a nut since I was a little kid.


I don't have a strong chin either.

My username is actually my 'self-diagnosis'. I self-diagnosed with that nickname when I was 5 years old. I hadn't used it in a long time, and that's why I used it when I registered here, because I was exploring back into my childhood.

I suppose now that I am an adult it can mean 'nervous and horny'. :wink:


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11 Dec 2014, 10:28 pm

If everybody had the same outlook, this would be a boring Forum.

We have the Staunch Semantic group on one side.

We have the Linguistic Extenders on the other.

It's always nice to have an amiable discussion, and come to some kind of compromise.



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11 Dec 2014, 10:39 pm

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My experience would suggest that the vast proportion of people self-diagnose, a diagnosis which is then confirmed by a specialist.

Earlier (in this thread or one similar), someone suggested that self-diagnosis involves an individual having no less than 100% confidence that they are suffering from a certain condition/disorder (in this case ASD). That is, the person doesn’t suspect it or believe it or think it. They know it.

If that is the case, I simply don't understand why anyone who described themselves as self-diagnosed would ever proceed to have that confirmed by another. Unless that individual is seeking services.

But, perhaps that definition is wrong. My guess is that we each have our own definition for what self-diagnosis means. That alone makes this discussion odd. What would make it even more bizarre (and appropriate for members of an odd planet), is if each of us had our own definition of what ASD is. The more I think about it, the more I realize that this is likely the case. Not just here. But everywhere.



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11 Dec 2014, 10:47 pm

I get the sense that most self-diagnosers are, on average, "very sure" that they have an ASD--perhaps not 100%, though.

All of us have a subjective view of what autism is; I believe a compilation of all the views would yield many similarities, but perhaps a few significant differences.

There also exists a more objective standard: that which is used by DSM IV and V, and the ICD's. Many self-diagnosers refer to these diagnostic manuals



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11 Dec 2014, 10:53 pm

Diagnosing mental conditions isn't like diagnosing a physical disability or condition because there are no guarantees, only ever a 'best guess', but this guess is based on what we currently think we know about (in this case) autism. It's almost like a theory - nobody knows if a big bang occurred, but there is a lot of evidence and supporting information to suggest that it did, so it's widely accepted at the moment.

That's why when an individual self-diagnoses, I believe they are as sure as they can be, that they have the condition. It's not 100% (as nothing is), but it's like a court of criminal law, beyond reasonable doubt >99%.

If a person has self-diagnosed with a condition and they're only 80-90% sure that they have it, that seems unreasonable to me. Though I do admit, percentages quantify a qualitative experience and so they aren't truly translatable, but from my point of view it's accurate enough.

Professional diagnosis is very much the same in this regard, only objective measures also contribute to the certainty of the presence of the condition/disorder, hence why you cannot really do anything with a self-diagnosis, other than identify with those that have a clinical diagnosis - which is OK, I never had a major problem with this. I don't mind at all if somebody chooses to self-diagnose and explain that to others, provided they don't neglect to mention the fact that it is a self-diagnosis.


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12 Dec 2014, 1:40 am

What does it mean, "driven" from this site?
Why is "driven" in quotation marks instead of driven from this site?
What is the difference between driven and "driven"?
I am confused.
Does "driven" ackshuly mean not driven?


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12 Dec 2014, 3:08 am

btbnnyr wrote:
What does it mean, "driven" from this site?
Why is "driven" in quotation marks instead of driven from this site?
What is the difference between driven and "driven"?
I am confused.
Does "driven" ackshuly mean not driven?
I believe they came here on a bus, but a forum member drove them home. I'm not 100% sure... my eyes could be lying to me.


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12 Dec 2014, 3:12 am

tall-p wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
What does it mean, "driven" from this site?
Why is "driven" in quotation marks instead of driven from this site?
What is the difference between driven and "driven"?
I am confused.
Does "driven" ackshuly mean not driven?
I believe they came here on a bus, but a forum member drove them home. I'm not 100% sure... my eyes could be lying to me.


Has that driven you mad? :king:


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12 Dec 2014, 9:22 am

"Driven," in this case, is a figurative/metaphorical term.

It means, in this case, that someone or some people (from the viewpoint of the person so driven) impelled him/her (forced him/her) to leave to site.

That's why I put it in quotes. I don't agree that he/she was "driven" from the Site forceably. I believe he/she felt that he/she was "driven," though.

The only people that could force a person off an internet site are the person his/herself, or a person who steals/takes away the person's computer.