Just because I have AS, do I have to respect all autists?

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unfortunately people will attack you for not liking you over something really small all the time, i have heard things like i dont like the way that persons face looks or how they talk0_o. would be great if every1 thought like you.

You seem genuine and I agree with a lot of what you expressed. I don't think AS is as clear-cut a thing as people here want to believe. There's as much variance from one aspie to another as there is between the average aspie and the average NT. We're all very unique.

My only real beef with you has been that you respond to disagreements in an immature way. You act like this whole place is against you when a lot of us aren't. I guess I'll let it go because honestly I have the same problem at times IRL. I just appreciate honest discussion and don't like seeing things degenerate into trolling and flame wars. There are other places more suited for taking out aggression than here.

I don't see the big deal with all this "us vs them" stuff, it's a bit rediculous as the lines are pretty blurd. I do have the mob mentality to a point but there are still aspies I know that I don't like, same with any group of people you don't have to like everyone in that group because you're part of it.

Want to second what wigglyspider expressed.

aspiesteve got no idea of official/DSM-IV-TR defined HFA and/or the unofficial understanding of LFA?

What? In a "spectrum disorder" such as autism/AS, the possible qualifying combinations of neurological wiring, and hence the range of thought patterns and frames of reference, are basically infinite.

In general (and just as an example), based on thought processes and general mentality, Zoonic and myself are literally at polar opposite ends of the spectrum (no pun intended). I do not think that prior to this thread I have ever really agreed with one single sentiment he has posted on WP. But the part I quoted above, as well as several other related points he has brought up in this thread, I think are absolutely spot-on.

To say it has anything to do with "how we think" is exactly indicative of the "mob mentality" that Lecks was talking about. Not that it has anything to do with you personally, Warsie, but in my life in general it is ludicrous (and in some cases outright offensive) to me when someone tries to pigeon-hole the way I "think". I haven't come across one person on here who I would say truly "thinks like me". I haven't come across one person ever in my life who I would say that about.

Is it really our "neurological wiring" that is important? Or is it the substance of our ideas, and the ability to "relate" to one another (ironically something that autistic individuals are supposed to struggle with)? We really should give ourselves more credit.

I like this board because people bring up life observations every single day that I CAN relate to (whether or not their interpretations of them jive with my own), and that I had NO IDEA that anyone ever even thought about for a fleeting second. People who are so different from me in terms of their lives, their issues, etc--the fact that we "experience" these things may be entirely neurological, but the fact that we can discuss them from a multitude of perspectives and angles, relate to each other, and help people to understand these things when they are new and alien to them (as they often were to me when I first joined, and as sometimes they still are) is what makes WP beneficial to me.

The more "militant" aspect of it all, which Zoonic and Lecks have referenced, however will never be part of the draw for me. If it is helpful to some people in whatever capacity, I think that's great. I truly do. But the problem is, as with anything "militant", there will be those who subscribe to that mentality who do not respect my angle. There will be those who suggest that people who do not share their mentality must also not share their "diagnosis". And while I'm not going to be fazed in the least by what people think of me personally, that attitude (at least in my eyes) will never be one that will bring anything positive to WP as a whole.

maybe i'm just annoyed but i'm calling BS on this.. if you think yourself psychopathic, that's up to you.

hello again Zoonic! I disagree with many of your ideas, but i really respect you. i agree that WP has an "us or them" feeling, currently i'm enjoying identifying, but still feeling like an outsider in some ways..
we will never all be alike, so we should (i think) constantly re-evaluate & not fall into an "aspie" mindset..
it's reassuring to me to hear your strong & unorthodox opinions here on WP, keep it up

Can't agree more with the OP. The community here seem intent on shedding away anything that could be percieved as bad from their image and pretty much homogenising everyone in the process. Infact, i find it very difficult attributing personalities to anyone on here, because apart from what sets off each individuals sensory overload, what drugs you all take and numerous threads about how were not disabled, there is very little to read.

I'll call bs on this whole entire board! You're all a bunch of militant know it all jerks who think they are starting something new and interesting such as a movement for rights but sorry others did it before you and get this, nobody likes you. Maybe some of you should become more sociopathic so you could be more likeable!

Idiots.

Aspies have this shield in society where as sociopaths get thrown in jail. Sociopaths get no pity and understanding meanwhile "oh aspies didn't know what they were doing" oh yeaaah right. Aspies have way more in common with personality disorders than they do with autism and in fact, if there were decisions to not eliminate fetuses with aspergers but instead just focused on HFA and LFA you know aspies would branch themselves off from being autistic and say see ya wouldn't want ta be ya.

I have aspergers because of my hyper focus and yes you can be aware you are a sociopath and be proud. All thee people that say you wouldn't admit to that are wrong. What's the shame in being a proud sociopath? I do have feelings too, it's just none for any of you little twats.

Also, can some of you aspies please just stop with the crying and pity me act? It's stupid and makes you look inferior and weak.

lol that's funny.. sad but funny.
notice the lack of social or moral boundaries.. Hans used the term "autistic psychopathy" yes, but he was a man of science, not an angry sociopath

Hans is a smart man for sure and he should continue to say autistic psychopathy when referring to aspies because it's the truth. Anyone who comes here acting like some angelic saint over their aspergers makes me want to projectile vomit clear across the internet and onto their face! All I see are just a bunch of idiotic androids that can't be bothered to even try to feign emotions to get ahead in life. Everyone does it so why can't any of you cry babies?

Girls don't want you?? Well duh! It's because you don't shower, your breath smells awful, you look hideous, you play too many video games, you're fat, you can't be bothered to get plastic surgery. You need to suck up to people in order to climb up the ladder. It's just how life goes and I do it all the time. I probably have more money than half of you burger flipping spastic buffoons!!

you say you're sociopathic..? you come across as an angry child.
On top of this you have the arrogant audacity to suggest we should adopt your approach.. why? you're clearly unhappy with your situation..
As for the insults, meh.. you probably do have more money than me, so? hows that working out for ya? maybe you feel the need to suck up to people, presumably you have no integrity and feel this is acceptable?
good luck working for Autism Speaks.

It was. The use of the word psychopathy' prior to the modern understanding of the term was quite different.

So, yes, there was a reason it was called that. You just got it wrong.

Asperger's autistische Psychopathie was by no means connected to what is now understood by the word 'psychopathy'.

It appears you might want to read into that if you choose to talk about it.

I know for a fact that Hans Asperger would turn in his grave (meaning, he'd totally freak out other this association as would his students) if he heard that people equate the modern understanding of 'psychopathy' to his 'autistic psychopaths' from the 1940s.



You speak as if having psychopathic traits is a bad thing.



No, they don't. Same triad in both disorders. There's no such thing in PDs.

Maybe you do have more in common with those with PDs, that is perfectly possible. Remember that you represent only yourself and your own AS.

Others with AS are different from you and can be different in all ways possible. Their AS manifests in many ways and besides the criteria, there's no single manifestation of AS. Also, don't expect them to group with you and unite under your opinions as they have their own.



Hyperfocus isn't part of AS. Maybe you mean another trait? You also have to have the whole triad to have AS, there's no single trait that hints at that you have AS.

Ugh...everything you say is so depressing...I came to this site looking for support and guidance...reading this, I think I may have made a bad judgement call...

if nothing else, we do get some inventive trolling..

whoops sorry