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26 Jun 2009, 3:32 am

I don't care for jackson whatsoever I think he was he pedophile and its sick that his fans were martyrs to him even though he mollested, evidence is overwhelming. I to be honest just had a twisted viion of all the children of the world running outsie because he is dead. I think jackson was overrated to about infinity more so than th beetles. In fact I actually had a moment in may when I said to my best friend I bet jackson will be dead by July, so I would be lying to say I did not expect it, I did not actually know nothing until 10 minutes ago and was just like... oh I found out on youtube I don't waste my time with tv or online news



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26 Jun 2009, 3:52 am

When I hear about the deaths of celebrities, I am of course sad that people die no different than if I hear about the death of a person I never heard of. I suppose it's because it reminds me of my father dying, and I just feel for whatever loved ones that survived the person. I will say though that I tend to say a little prayer for people I don't know long before celebrities. I never really thought about it till now.

As far as Michael Jackson, he always gave me the creeps, even back in the 80's. A lot of 80's musicians gave me the creeps though. I kinda feel guilty though now that he's gone. I think it's because I really think he was guilty of those many accusations, and I feel bad now that his judgement day has finally come. It's kinda scary I guess.

Out of sheer curiosity (SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS), in the whole reincarnation thing (sorry not too familiar with it)...okay does a baby get his/her soul at conception or at birth in the reincarnation theories. I know Christianity says at conception, but I want to know what the other religions/philosophies etc. say on it.



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26 Jun 2009, 4:26 am

Tantybi wrote:
Out of sheer curiosity (SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS), in the whole reincarnation thing (sorry not too familiar with it)...okay does a baby get his/her soul at conception or at birth in the reincarnation theories. I know Christianity says at conception, but I want to know what the other religions/philosophies etc. say on it.


Well...modern-day pagans (many of whom believe in reincarnation, although some don't) vary as to when they think we become ensouled...some think conception, some think later in pregnancy. Ancient pagan civilisations (and for that matter Christianity until quite a late stage, because Christian medical knowledge followed Aristotle) generally used to think it was at 'quickening' when the fetus started to move, and some modern pagans still follow that idea. Because Buddhism believes the separate self is ultimately an illusion, many Buddhists wouldn't speak of a 'soul' as a distinct non-physical entity; they tend to say that one life just causes a series of effects that culminate in another life. And I know the Hare Krishnas believe the soul is there at conception - they're fervently anti-abortion on those grounds - but I couldn't say what any other branch of Hinduism believes. I'm not sure about the other major religions.

Anyway. Michael Jackson. I don't like the idea of rejoicing when anyone dies, no matter if they were a horrible individual. I wasn't happy when Princess Diana died, although I couldn't personally stand the woman. Everyone has people close to them, and maybe not so close, who'll be hurt by their death. As far as Jackson, goes, some of the music was OK, but I was never a big fan. All I can say about his personal life is that he appears to have had a pretty crappy childhood, and I feel kind of sorry for the kid he once was. I won't comment on the later allegations because I don't know the full story.

What you can bet is that the conspiracy theorists will be coming out of the woodwork pretty soon. 50 year old guys die of heart attacks all the time, but because he was who he was, nobody will want to believe that he died a very sad, ordinary death....so there'll be plenty of more interesting stories flying around as to how it really happened.


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26 Jun 2009, 4:30 am

I tend to laugh when ill celebrities die. Those who vowed never to give up, those who kept struggling to the very end. I find it highly ironic that they'd hold onto dear life so much, but still ultimately fail. I find it hysterical!



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26 Jun 2009, 4:34 am

I laugh at the fact that the media goes nuts with the coverage about their deaths. We've heard the story once, we don't need to hear every little detail about it and we certainly don't need to hear the same story 20 times. However I don't laugh at the deaths themselves because I don't understand why people dieing is or should ever be funny.


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26 Jun 2009, 5:01 am

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I laugh at the fact that the media goes nuts with the coverage about their deaths. We've heard the story once, we don't need to hear every little detail about it and we certainly don't need to hear the same story 20 times. However I don't laugh at the deaths themselves because I don't understand why people dieing is or should ever be funny.


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26 Jun 2009, 5:15 am

No I don't laugh. The only time that happened was when our art teacher died (around 1968) - he'd always been so ludicrously eccentric that it was hard to think of him without laughing.....a number of us used to pass the time by lampooning the teachers. They announced his death in assembly, and I guess you know how it is when you get the giggles in a situation where it won't pay you to laugh - it just makes it worse. Our school was rather like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5k9wPOe ... re=related

As for celebrities, like some other people here have said, I don't know them personally so I don't usually feel much either way, and I don't understand why anybody gets all shocked and upset, unless it's because they really like their work and are sad to think there won't be any more of it. I suppose an artist might really "reach" some people with their ideas, but as far as I can see, with most celebrities it's just froth and sexuality, i.e. much ado about nothing. And the way people react it's as if celebrities are the only people who matter, which is an insult to all the other people who die, the unsung masses who never get noticed.

But even with people I'm close to, my reactions to death are unusual. I don't seem to feel anything straight away, but later I can get depressed or very upset, or just kind of wistful. It seems to take time for the fact to sink in. I'm often more concerned about the other people they've left behind, before it sinks in that I'm actually one of them.



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26 Jun 2009, 5:18 am

I saw Life of Brian when I was just 5. An advantage to having an aspie father....

It was the same year I remember sitting in the lounge, at the record collection. One of them was Off The Wall. I remember Michael Jackson photographed in it, young, smartly dressed in a tuxedo, all his hair, his skin still brown. He was photographed against a brick wall which had Off The Wall written on it. This is from my visual memory. It is how I will always remember him.



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26 Jun 2009, 7:56 am

I'm not going to believe Michael was or was not a paedophile. I can't make a decision based on what is given to me. I like to make my own judgements, not have to make a decision out of what is only available. It's the same as everyone here being called a ret*d.

Like I say, I don't know if it's true what he did or not. But I'm not going to let the media decide for me



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26 Jun 2009, 8:11 am

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I'm not going to believe Michael was or was not a paedophile. I can't make a decision based on what is given to me. I like to make my own judgements, not have to make a decision out of what is only available. It's the same as everyone here being called a ret*d.

Like I say, I don't know if it's true what he did or not. But I'm not going to let the media decide for me


But he was acquited meaning in law he is technically still under contempt of that crime because the evidence on both sides met a stalemate plus the fact his lawyers pretty much gave up on him that to me sounds pretty iffy especially if your own defence are like "oh crap"

The thing that bugs me about the die hard fans is that he was only acquited meaning the evidence is still open for debate in any trial acquited is kinda like just signing your life away becaue jackson lost pretty much every ounce of support.

I personally think he was a pedaphile but not because he was sadistic but because of the psychological transition he went through, its scary that he was 500 million in debt to lawyers though



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26 Jun 2009, 8:20 am

i do not think he had a sexual bone in his body (pardon any puns).
i saw an interview with him once where he was sitting next to a boy and he said sleeping in the same bed was beautiful and something about love and that made me think he was very creepy.

i think his ideas about "loving" children were very warped and weird, but i can not imagine him having sexual urges.
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anyway i liked the song "ben" because it was about a rat, and i like rats and am sad that humans mainly hate them.
i also liked the old "blame it on the boogie" and the other song i liked was "keep the faith".
apart from that i did not like his music.

as to his death: there was a post a few months ago where someone made an observation that jackson looked much more bulky than usual at some event. i agreed and i thought he may have been on steroids to get some muscle power back to perform his moves for his new concerts.

he would have to dance well at his upcoming concerts because that was a vital ingredient for his performances, so maybe he practiced too hard while not being very fit, or maybe a cocktail of drugs and possibly steroids may have caused him to go into atrial fibrillation or something.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10499702

anyway, the worst aspect of his death is that some shows i watch regularly at breakfast time were canceled because of his death, and all i heard was opinion after opinion, and flashbacks of his life. i was sick of the news 10 minutes after i heard it (@10am sydney time). the ticker tape on the bottom of the screen said "breaking news: jackson dead at 50" until 5pm. i wonder if it will still say "breaking news" tomorrow.

i hope the TV gets back to normal soon.



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26 Jun 2009, 9:18 am

I don't laugh when celebs die, but I don't care either. And I especially don't care about jacko, he's a pedo and a freak of nature no matter if his songs were good.
When celebs die or it's an anniversairy of a death I like reading the millions of sick jokes people send on their phones.


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26 Jun 2009, 9:20 am

And I hope that jacko doesn't become the next elvis where people worship him and crap and I watched a programme once where a family of elvis fans get "letters" to him from beyond the grave, lol what maniacs.


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26 Jun 2009, 9:22 am

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Brace yourself......somebody on the radio said it was going to be like the Princess Diana thing all over again.......and I thought, "oh, no, anything but that 8O "

I wonder how long we'll have to wait for conspiracy theories about his death? :roll:



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26 Jun 2009, 10:05 am

ThatRedHairedGrrl wrote:
Tantybi wrote:
Out of sheer curiosity (SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS), in the whole reincarnation thing (sorry not too familiar with it)...okay does a baby get his/her soul at conception or at birth in the reincarnation theories. I know Christianity says at conception, but I want to know what the other religions/philosophies etc. say on it.


Well...modern-day pagans (many of whom believe in reincarnation, although some don't) vary as to when they think we become ensouled...some think conception, some think later in pregnancy. Ancient pagan civilisations (and for that matter Christianity until quite a late stage, because Christian medical knowledge followed Aristotle) generally used to think it was at 'quickening' when the fetus started to move, and some modern pagans still follow that idea. Because Buddhism believes the separate self is ultimately an illusion, many Buddhists wouldn't speak of a 'soul' as a distinct non-physical entity; they tend to say that one life just causes a series of effects that culminate in another life. And I know the Hare Krishnas believe the soul is there at conception - they're fervently anti-abortion on those grounds - but I couldn't say what any other branch of Hinduism believes. I'm not sure about the other major religions.

Anyway. Michael Jackson. I don't like the idea of rejoicing when anyone dies, no matter if they were a horrible individual. I wasn't happy when Princess Diana died, although I couldn't personally stand the woman. Everyone has people close to them, and maybe not so close, who'll be hurt by their death. As far as Jackson, goes, some of the music was OK, but I was never a big fan. All I can say about his personal life is that he appears to have had a pretty crappy childhood, and I feel kind of sorry for the kid he once was. I won't comment on the later allegations because I don't know the full story.

What you can bet is that the conspiracy theorists will be coming out of the woodwork pretty soon. 50 year old guys die of heart attacks all the time, but because he was who he was, nobody will want to believe that he died a very sad, ordinary death....so there'll be plenty of more interesting stories flying around as to how it really happened.


Thank you. I know it sounds crazy, but I couldn't help but to think it. I was just watching Roseanne too like right before I came on here, and one of the scenes, Jackie was pregnant wanting to tell her mom in a way that would kill her mom, and Roseanne reminded her of kharma and reincarnation and how now was not a good time for someone like Jackie to want her mom to die. I haven't told anyone on here yet, but I just found out I was pregnant, so the thought did just creep in my head.



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26 Jun 2009, 10:13 am

Two things.

On the accusations against Michael, I don't know too much about the media and what they think. All I know is the guy always gave me the creeps and in a way that always made me a little nauseous. The only guys I know that make me nauseous like that has some sort of sex issue...not always with kids or anything, just something abnormal.

On the media...you know Michael will now join Elvis and Tupac.