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Mensa is a waste of time and a waste of an organization. I can see the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, I can see an astronomers club, but a club for IQ? That's not going to benefit anyone (well the people who're in that club since they're narcississtic) or society. If you're going to join a club then at least at least join one that'll make you learn and benefit society. You can exchange ideas if you're in a writer's club or any club.

Also the whole thing about IQ is pointless. Just because you have a 130+ IQ doesn't mean you're going to be successful. Hell, there are even more people with high IQ sitting on their asses all day and taking a crap doing nothing than the average population contributing to society. SOme with high IQ even work at McDonalds' or other low paying jobs.

Yet somehow though those who're mentally ret*d have an equal chance of contributing as anyone else. I mean look at Radio. Just because he was mentally ret*d, does that mean he'll never become successful in life? No. In fact, he changed everyone's perspective of him and life by the end. I mean I sat next to an autistic kid at lunch (classic autism), and we would play with a puzzle. He would solve it before I would. That's what I mean when someone who can make a difference and use their talents despite IQ.

That's whay I hate Mensa. They think they're smart, but if they were they would've figured out that only a few of them would be successful; otherwise they wouldn't brag about it.. Just because you got a high IQ on a test doesn't mean your smart. You could be book smart for all we know. If you don't use that smarts to make society better, than you're a wasted piece of dog pile. like SteeveVader said, Stephen Hawkings wasn't in Mensa and neither did Einstein, but did they proclaimed to be smart just to show off? No, they used their smarts for the good of society. I bet Satoshi Tajiri's not in Mensa, but boy, can he create a series that would be one of the biggest franchises in the world. Stephen Spielberg too, but he made some of the the most imaginative and best movies during the 70s and even now.

And that's why I hate it when people think prodigies are amazing. Just because they mastered something at a young age doesn't mean they're geniuses. In fact, most aren't happy to start with once they grow up, and some commit suicide since they've never figured out what really interested them. Some of them arerogent too, which is another reason why I wouldn't be around them. Sure they have talent, but will they use it when peer pressure, life, and everything comes through. I bet most won't and are unemployed now since they never really experienced life like an average person would.

I'm just saying anyone can brag about how high his or her IQ is, but can he or she back up that talk because the world wants to see you achieve something with it. To me, the average person is the most successful because, well, look at it. Most succesful people are average. Without average people the world would go flat. So no, I wouldn't join Mensa for their hypocritical views, pointless purpose, and, most of all, idiotic members. That's all I have to say

HECK, it is a shame I didn't have an IQ test, when I was 2.5. I would probably have scored over 200! It is FAR easier for a 2yo to have a 200IQ than it is for say a 15 yo! IQ is NOT an absolute! It is a RATIO! It is RELATIVE! Don't get me wrong, I was smart for a 2.5yo. I didn't even TALK like a kid. I don't recall if I could read/write, and I couldn't do complicated math, but MANY 5yo can't! I COULD identify logical patterns, do puzzles, knew some anatomy, etc.... I bet I could have competed with most 5yo. Of course, when I was 10, I would NOT have done so well against 20 year olds. I had a better vocabulary, knew more about electronics, some science, anatomy, english, etc.... But NOT math, history, etc.... AND, when I was 10, my IQ was not as high as 200 either.



NO. MANY here have said that IQ tests are far from perfect. Still, it IS about the only method that is so widely accepted.

Does anyone ever buy any Mensa puzzle books. I bought one at Barnes and Noble, and I hated it. It was one of those lateral puzzles (y'know the ones where they give you a bizzare situation that sounds like it makes no sense but actually does.) The answers were really off the wall and didn't make any sense at all. Liek for one they asked one situation, and I tried to guess it, but the answer was based off an event in a movie. WTF? How can anyone guess that if one didn't see the movie? That's like giving a question about something in the future. Stupid if you ask me.

I think other puzzle books would be better than mensa, especially those 5-minute Mysteries. Those made sense, and when you get the answer wrong, you feel stupid (not stupid, but smart stupid--oxymoron.) you could've seen them coming. You have it at the tip of your tongue, but all along you think of the wrong answer. I wish I more puzzzles like that.

Stupid Mensa. Looks like besides discriminating people, becoming elitists, being a pointless organization, and being full of idiots, they seem to be ripping people off their money as well. Looks like the world is full of idiots. Idiocracy!

Ok... firstly batz spoken like a true genius and secondly

to Uker

I believe intelligence can be gained or lost we are humans and ut is proven that most autistics have a sponge like intelligence which from first hand experience it is true, if you follow an intellectual path you will stand out from others because you have retained more facts and dates those who waste their time with glamou etc are not dumb just more smarter in their interests.

My family are really average and have been infact I a the first t go to university in many many mny years I know for a fact I have worked stacking shelves and paper rounds and I actually enjoyed the paper rounds lol (I didn't sleep much as a kid) I admire the average because I am too stubbourn to do a job I would not enjoy and prefer looking up facts and theories

I know the sponge memory theory has been submitted I swear I read about it somewhere

and Batz a fact Steven Speilburg is Autistic

YEAH, those are the type of tests where the charges of "cultural bias" actually make sense. I LOVE(sarc) the type that are based on some classic music, story, myth, history, that somehow was attributed to some sort of intellectual culture. Intelligent people do NOT, for example, necessarily know some obscure item from hamlet, or the relations/history of all the greek gods. HECK, I have seen mensa puzzles that had MULTIPLE solutions, and others that depended upon you assuming a pattern. And I am not picking those out of thin air. I have actually seen such things in intelligence tests.

DeaconBlues said

Anyone can start a club like that. All they have to do is get people who know each other well yet socially impaired and put them in a log cabin. They'll speak sooner or later.

Besides, I believe this statement doesn't help with your side. In fact, it exacerbates it since it's a poor excuse as to why Mensa's still alive. That would be the the most pointless club in existance since one can do that in just about anywhere. Hell, I did that at my school, but even if one would join Mensa that wouldn't mean he or she is anti-social or actually spending their life like a hermit or Emily Dickenson.

And to SteveeVader:

Thanks for the reply, and I know Spielberg is autistic (though thanks for reminding me; I forgot to say something.) Spielberg is one of the richest people in America, and it wasn't only for his high IQ, if he has it. It was also because of his perseverence and creativity and talent that brought him to fame. Autism brought most of that out (this is what I believe though.) Speaking of that, I can't wait to see Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (or was it Micheal Bay who made that?). Despite if Spielberg made it, I hope it's good as the first one.

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Total support behind your post

DIE MENSA DIE

To Batz

Yes Speilburg is an executive producer so he had a lot of say its good fo what it is the visuals are quite stunning smetimes confusing but still a great popcorn flick

and agreed if Mensa devoled that means their point becomes hazy nd unrecognised, you say yo hav a great vocabulary and yet you blasted down your defence with a crucial word DEVOLVED

it actually means to seperate ones self from sciety or a union and in most people'sview is a very bad thing for example Scotland devolved from the united kingdom and by most it sviewed as a negative. In fact devolution is often seen as the inevitable signs of death for example the DoDo and the Kiwi.

As mentioned peviously Mena their own name being latin for table/selection confuses its own self, well cannibalises because Mensa was founded in 1947 still when IQ was an intereting conversation piece but even by Binet the found said this is not a measurement of intelligence but a stepping stne towardsi. Mensa obviously well the founders obviously mised out that important factor as theirmission statement says hat the most intellectually gifted and highest scoring in IQ. Now OMEGA contrdiction because hey Binet said I IS NOT A TRUE MEASUREMENT OF INTELLIGENCE therefore this makes Mensa an abslute sham with no point at all because their grand scheme has no point most scientists today agree that IQ is a farce and proes nothing as it proves nothng in creative skllsat all and oh wait MS SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE RE CREATVLY GIFTED.

Damn Batz did I just shoot Mensa down

see my post before yours... we both shot the plane down...

well blasting something is when you present evidence you quoted Batz thats plaguerism and then you added die mensa die lol only joking

but seriously their organisation has no point of existance

I think all three of us did

Yeah, I hope Mensa would die.

I want to go elfen lied on their ass

see theres another smart chick lucy from elfen lied

I don't exacty see the point of MENSA in itself, but to suggest IQ's tests have no real value is just plain wrong. People should be having IQ tests when they are younger, an IQ profile should be made up for people and their education should be targetted towards their strengths.

and what is your proof that IQ actually measures intelligence, there is none intellect has no measure and how can a 3 year old child maintain that the have a "high IQ" be able to understand they may be smart their parents in most cases go OTT and force information and intellect down their throats. Thats not being clever thats being a tool and a puppet

I never claimed that IQ tests measure "intelligence", although i'm sure it's easier to put words in my mouth to proove your point. IQ tests usually measure an individuals ability to learn and pattern recognition in a specific data format. If someone get's 120IQ in a visual spatial test, but 90IQ in a more verbally based test, said individual's education should be presented in a visual way. The way everyone is taught as if they have the same thought processes in this day and age is just plain illogical. I also don't see how your point with parents is applicable.

well my point with parents was that if for examle their 3 yea old hild goes for an IQ test then bamm OMFG yur child has an IQ of162 the parens would then... read previous post please