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21 Jul 2009, 3:46 pm

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I'm all for educating autistic people--therapy, especially speech/language therapy to make communication easier--and education tailored to the different cognitive style. What I don't like is when that education completely walks all over individuality and assumes that you have to learn the same way, do things the same way, behave the same way as NTs. When you start trying to change things just because they are associated with autism, that's when your positive education goes bad and starts turning into brainwashing and dog-training. .


I'm guessing you're talking about some of the hardline ABA. I was very put off by some of the mechanical and rote ABA therapy recommended for my daughter and declined it. It just seemed so creepy: do this JUST EXACTLY THIS WAY and get an M&M. Repeat countless times until the kid does X just exactly this way. It seemed ironically robotic. After all, wasn't rigidity one of the downsides of autism? And here they were recommending the ultimate in rigidity, reinforcing rigidity, rewarding rigidity with M&Ms. It didn't look like a good idea. But speech therapy and occupational therapy (for handwriting and buttoning and using scissors etc.) and tutoring for academics catering to her learning style has been a very good thing. But so many people swear by ABA. And when they see "autism" on her paperwork, they just want to go there immediately and without question even though its rigid and inflexible nature is the opposite of what she needs.



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21 Jul 2009, 4:41 pm

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Defeat Autism Now! is dedicated to the exploration, evaluation, and dissemination of scientifically documented biomedical interventions for individuals within the autism spectrum, through the collaborative efforts of clinicians, researchers, and parents.

No one seem to have reacted upon the last sentence.
quoting again wrote:
through the collaborative efforts of clinicians, researchers, and parents.

Why are there none of us involved in this one might wonder... :roll:


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21 Jul 2009, 4:45 pm

Silvervarg wrote:
Insane website wrote:
Defeat Autism Now! is dedicated to the exploration, evaluation, and dissemination of scientifically documented biomedical interventions for individuals within the autism spectrum, through the collaborative efforts of clinicians, researchers, and parents.

No one seem to have reacted upon the last sentence.
quoting again wrote:
through the collaborative efforts of clinicians, researchers, and parents.

Why are there none of us involved in this one might wonder... :roll:


Probably because you would rather eat gluten and not catch measles and might say so at the meetings.



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21 Jul 2009, 4:55 pm

To those defeatist NTs topic

Do not throw out the soap with the bathwater. :P


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22 Jul 2009, 7:02 am

Janissy wrote:
Silvervarg wrote:
Insane website wrote:
Defeat Autism Now! is dedicated to the exploration, evaluation, and dissemination of scientifically documented biomedical interventions for individuals within the autism spectrum, through the collaborative efforts of clinicians, researchers, and parents.

No one seem to have reacted upon the last sentence.
quoting again wrote:
through the collaborative efforts of clinicians, researchers, and parents.

Why are there none of us involved in this one might wonder... :roll:


Probably because you would rather eat gluten and not catch measles and might say so at the meetings.

*Gasp* Are you implying that this highly serious and scientific webbpage might have a predetermined result in mind, does not exists to help find out as much as possible about Autism? 8O You horrible human, how can you belive such things about someone? :(

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22 Jul 2009, 3:57 pm

Measles, mumps, rubella, possible nutritional difficulties and the belief that your natural self is a burden and must be crushed(or aborted)?

I think I'd rather have autism. This is coming from someone who knows a person who will DIE a painful, horrible death if he eats wheat gluten. Autism ain't nothing compared to that.
DAN is a crock of s**t.



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22 Jul 2009, 4:26 pm

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Defeat Autism Now! is dedicated to the exploration, evaluation, and dissemination of scientifically documented biomedical interventions for individuals within the autism spectrum, through the collaborative efforts of clinicians, researchers, and parents.


You call that a mission statement. I call this bullsh*t.

THIS is a mission statement.

http://www.ccsd15.net/AboutDistrict15/S ... tement.pdf


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13 Sep 2009, 2:50 am

My son was diagnosed with PDD-NOS a few months ago. He appears to be high functioning, but has some mild to moderate speech delays and a few other traits.

My sister gave me Jenny McCarthy's book, which I read. Although I respect that she went through some stressful times while responding to her son's health needs, I find myself disagreeing with most of her opinions regarding vaccinations and her "cures" by diet. She also highly recommended DAN doctors.

At my sister's suggestion, I looked into DAN doctors in my area. Each DAN doctor was a naturopath (as opposed to a regular MD). I checked out a couple of websites. I couldn't believe the amount of money these people charge. Holy crap!! ! I would have had to pay over $2,000 just for initial "tests". Then the fees per visit and any treatments and supplements that the naturopath would have prescribed. My husband and I have just average earnings and cannot afford this.

I contacted one of the naturopaths via e-mail and asked if they would be willing to work within my budget by ordering only some of the tests and tailoring treatments so that we would get maximum effectiveness with fewer office visits. (e.g. if gluten intolerance was a common problem - get just the tests that would indicate or rule out gluten intolerances and start with one or two therapies that affect most patients). I also said that I was not looking for pro bono services - I would pay - but I wanted to work within a budget. I never heard back

My conclusion is that DAN doctors are a bunch of quacks who would rather have desparate people who are willing to shell out big $$$$$ and swallow any pill or herb and take any treatment that they suggest.

Just as an aside, in my province, the government funds up to $20,000 for therapy for autistic children up to age 6. This money is for ABA Therapy, Speech Language Therapy or Occupational Therapy ONLY. These are the only therapies that have solid, scientific evidence of being helpful. My son is getting Speech Therapy by a fully qualified Speech Language Therapist and has ABA therapy through an excellent consulting company and two good ABI's. He is doing very well and I am very happy with their methods. He is speaking more clearly, using complete sentences, making his needs known verbally and leaning good social skills. He stills has autism and always will have autism. I have no problem with that. However, with these therapies, he will be autistic, but able to interact fully with neurotypicals. Nothing wrong with that.

As for DAN doctors - I think it is a bunch of snake oil and hope that parents use their limited financial resources on other therapies or on enjoyable things that their child benefits from (e.g. therapeutic riding, swimming, day trips or ???).



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13 Sep 2009, 3:17 am

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My son was diagnosed with PDD-NOS a few months ago. He appears to be high functioning, but has some mild to moderate speech delays and a few other traits.

My sister gave me Jenny McCarthy's book, which I read. Although I respect that she went through some stressful times while responding to her son's health needs, I find myself disagreeing with most of her opinions regarding vaccinations and her "cures" by diet. She also highly recommended DAN doctors.

At my sister's suggestion, I looked into DAN doctors in my area. Each DAN doctor was a naturopath (as opposed to a regular MD). I checked out a couple of websites. I couldn't believe the amount of money these people charge. Holy crap!! ! I would have had to pay over $2,000 just for initial "tests". Then the fees per visit and any treatments and supplements that the naturopath would have prescribed. My husband and I have just average earnings and cannot afford this.

I contacted one of the naturopaths via e-mail and asked if they would be willing to work within my budget by ordering only some of the tests and tailoring treatments so that we would get maximum effectiveness with fewer office visits. (e.g. if gluten intolerance was a common problem - get just the tests that would indicate or rule out gluten intolerances and start with one or two therapies that affect most patients). I also said that I was not looking for pro bono services - I would pay - but I wanted to work within a budget. I never heard back

My conclusion is that DAN doctors are a bunch of quacks who would rather have desparate people who are willing to shell out big $$$$$ and swallow any pill or herb and take any treatment that they suggest.

Just as an aside, in my province, the government funds up to $20,000 for therapy for autistic children up to age 6. This money is for ABA Therapy, Speech Language Therapy or Occupational Therapy ONLY. These are the only therapies that have solid, scientific evidence of being helpful. My son is getting Speech Therapy by a fully qualified Speech Language Therapist and has ABA therapy through an excellent consulting company and two good ABI's. He is doing very well and I am very happy with their methods. He is speaking more clearly, using complete sentences, making his needs known verbally and leaning good social skills. He stills has autism and always will have autism. I have no problem with that. However, with these therapies, he will be autistic, but able to interact fully with neurotypicals. Nothing wrong with that.

As for DAN doctors - I think it is a bunch of snake oil and hope that parents use their limited financial resources on other therapies or on enjoyable things that their child benefits from (e.g. therapeutic riding, swimming, day trips or ???).



Are you in Alberta by any chance?When I was small, the Alberta govt paid for my therapy and such.Alberta is the best province in regards to helping famiies with autistic children.The government funds therapy and such.


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13 Sep 2009, 9:39 am

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Does anyone have an opinin about this website. I shall not say anything to influence your judgment,

Defeat Autism Now!
http://www.defeatautismnow.com/mission.html


Apparently they also aren't going to say anything to influence my judgement:
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13 Sep 2009, 10:24 am

Boo. That's all I have to say about DAN



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13 Sep 2009, 10:43 am

I would love to defeat the blighters who work and volunteer for Defeat Autism Now!! They are as bad as Autism Speaks, and I think that they're just like the jerks that I went to school with. It's jerks like that, who form such organizations. I think that the people at both DAN and Autism Speaks have been watching the movie, 'Rain Man' too many times. They see us as parasites that need to be eliminated from the institution of human perfection, that they dream of. They don't realize that there is no perfect life, and that each individual on this planet lives their own perfect life, whether that person has a disability, or not. To me, they're just another group of people, who want to eliminate autism through genetic testing, and that makes me sick. We do not deserve to be wiped out! We deserve to be loved, valued and accepted by everybody else.


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13 Sep 2009, 1:25 pm

I want to start out saying that I disagree with the DAN methods and do not support their group.

That said I think that this is a little ridiculous. Yes groups like this do more harm than good, and yes their literature can be offensive to people on the spectrum but really.

Nazis? In the quoted text they say that autism can't be cured. I don't think that they are trying to kill us. Parents that go for expensive therapies or do complicated diets are not trying to fix their disappointing children.

Contrary to what many here believe many parents of autistic children are willing to do anything to help their children. It is love not disgust that leads parents to go broke on therapies. It is a lot of money and time they are expending.

Yes parents make mistakes and are led astray by corrupt, or mistaken doctors and groups but that does not make them nazis.

I would guess that many DAN staffers and doctors want to help autistics function in society and have the best of intentions.

I find that yelling Nazi! at people rarely influences them other than to make them listen even less. What we need is to work with organizations to get accurate information to parents and doctors.

That's my $.02.



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13 Sep 2009, 2:26 pm

Yes, I prefer to yell "Quack!" which is quite correct in the case of the overwhelming majority of DAN doctors.


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13 Sep 2009, 2:46 pm

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Yes, I prefer to yell "Quack!" which is quite correct in the case of the overwhelming majority of DAN doctors.


I actually agree with you. I'm just saying that I see three possible reasons for groups like DAN.

1. They are well meaning but incompetant.

2. They are unethical and taking advantage of parents willing to do anything for their kids.

3. They are dedicated neuro-homogenity by killing all autistics.

Looking at the DAN literature I believe that virtually everyone fits into the first and second buckets.

I think working with groups that try to get accurate info to parents is a constructive way of opposing groups like DAN.



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13 Sep 2009, 3:06 pm

Hope autism will be defeated one day by any mean possible.

The genetic manipulation might be one of them in the future.