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Have you ever considered going on GFCF diet
I am on it now 11%  11%  [ 6 ]
I used to be on it; it didn't work, so I got off of it 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
I plan to get on it when I have more time/energy to devote to it 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
I agree it works *BUT* I don't have enough will power to do that 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
I agree it works *BUT* I don't want to change who I am 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I agree it works *BUT* I don't want to brush autism in my face by following it 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
I agree it works *BUT* there are other things that are as, or more, effective 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I agree it works *BUT* on a scale 1-10 its importance is below 5 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I agree this diet works FOR SOME AUTISTICS but not nearly for all 18%  18%  [ 10 ]
I think this diet is for ppl with classical autism, NOT for aspies 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I think this diet is for kids, NOT adults 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I don't think this diet works 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
This diet is based on pseudo-science 28%  28%  [ 16 ]
Other 21%  21%  [ 12 ]
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22 Oct 2009, 10:40 am

This was just posted on the forum "Gluten Free and Beyond";

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Neurological symptoms in patients with biopsy proven celiac disease.

Bürk K, Farecki ML, Lamprecht G, Roth G, Decker P, Weller M, Rammensee HG, Oertel W.
Department of Neurology, University of Marburg, Marburg, Germany.

In celiac disease (CD), the gut is the typical manifestation site but atypical neurological presentations are thought to occur in 6 to 10% with cerebellar ataxia being the most frequent symptom. Most studies in this field are focused on patients under primary neurological care. To exclude such an observation bias, patients with biopsy proven celiac disease were screened for neurological disease. A total of 72 patients with biopsy proven celiac disease (CD) (mean age 51 +/- 15 years, mean disease duration 8 +/- 11 years) were recruited through advertisements. All participants adhered to a gluten-free diet. Patients were interviewed following a standard questionnaire and examined clinically for neurological symptoms. Medical history revealed neurological disorders such as migraine (28%), carpal tunnel syndrome (20%), vestibular dysfunction (8%), seizures (6%), and myelitis (3%). Interestingly, 35% of patients with CD reported of a history of psychiatric disease including depression, personality changes, or even psychosis. Physical examination yielded stance and gait problems in about one third of patients that could be attributed to afferent ataxia in 26%, vestibular dysfunction in 6%, and cerebellar ataxia in 6%. Other motor features such as basal ganglia symptoms, pyramidal tract signs, tics, and myoclonus were infrequent. 35% of patients with CD showed deep sensory loss and reduced ankle reflexes in 14%. Gait disturbances in CD do not only result from cerebellar ataxia but also from proprioceptive or vestibular impairment. Neurological problems may even develop despite strict adherence to a gluten-free diet [ as a result of reduced absorption of crucial vitamins like B12, etc, caused by early intestinal damage]. (c) 2009 Movement Disorder Society.

PMID: 19845007 Oct 2009


I am/was one of the 35% who suffered from depression, personality change, and psychotic episodes, ( all disappeared or much reduced since I have been gf ), aswell as the proprioceptive problems, ( not cleared up, but until two years ago the longest I had managed to stick to a gf diet was 18 months, and neurological damage can take years to heal, but the constant background "noise" in my head, of which I was not even aware until the first time I went on an exclusion diet, has completely gone ).

And I didn't even have "noticeable" gastrointestinal symptoms! But then research is finding increasingly that GI symptoms are only the tip of the gluten-intolerance iceberg, ( perhaps as few as 10% of those with gluten-intolerance will experience serious/visible GI problems ).

I recommend the "Gluten Free and Beyond" forum, at: http://www.glutenfreeandbeyond.org/forum/ and it's sister site "The Gluten File", to anyone who is seriously interested in this, and wants more info on the whole issue. There are hundreds of research papers and scientific articles on there, aswell as many personal histories.

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22 Oct 2009, 12:11 pm

Here's another one: :)

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Gluten sensitivity in Japanese patients with adult-onset cerebellar ataxia.
Ihara M, Makino F, Sawada H, Mezaki T, Mizutani K, Nakase H, Matsui M, Tomimoto H, Shimohama S.

Department of Neurology, Kyoto University Graduate School of Medicine, Kyoto.

OBJECTIVE: Gluten sensitivity is associated with multiple neurological abnormalities including gluten ataxia, motor neuron disease-like neuropathy, small fiber type neuropathy, cognitive impairment, and even parkinsonism. We investigated whether or not gluten sensitivity is involved in Japanese patients with idiopathic cerebellar ataxia with extracerebellar presentation. PATIENTS OR MATERIALS: Fourteen patients with idiopathic cerebellar ataxia with extracerebellar presentation (autonomic instability, parkinsonism, or pyramidal dysfunction in varying combinations) were screened for anti-gliadin antibodies (AGA) to analyze for the presence or absence of gluten sensitivity. Patients with typical MR findings of multiple system atrophy of the cerebellar type were excluded. As disease controls without cerebellar ataxia, 9 patients with Parkinson's disease and 18 patients with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis were screened for AGA. Forty-seven normal controls were also screened for AGA. RESULTS: We found a high prevalence of AGA in 5 (36%) of 14 cerebellar ataxia patients, but in only 1 (4%) of 27 disease controls without cerebellar ataxia (odds ratio, 14.4; 95% CI, 1.41147; p<0.05) and in only 1 (2%) of 47 normal controls (odds ratio, 25.6; 95% CI, 2.66246; p<0.001). Among the cerebellar ataxia patients, atypical features such as sensorimotor neuropathy and/or mild cognitive impairment were more prevalent in the AGA-positive group (60%) than in the AGA-negative group (0%). In one of the ataxic patients with AGA, a gluten-free diet had positive effects on neurological symptoms and nutritional status. CONCLUSION: Gluten sensitivity is involved in at least some of the unexplained neurological symptoms of Japanese patients with adult-onset, sporadic cerebellar ataxia.

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29 Oct 2009, 11:35 am

Just bumping this because of a new thread asking about the effectiveness of gf and/or cf diets.

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29 Oct 2009, 12:26 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
This is the one thing that MIGHT work for some. The logic is simple: if you have a food sensitivity, and continue eating that food, you will not function at your best, and you will present as being more impaired than you need to.


It's not the only thing, though -- the anti-candida diet is really helpful -- again, for some people. And so is the alkalyzing diet -- for some people. And the candida problem is highly associated with food sensitivities, and an acid-forming diet encourages candida growth, so around and around and around we go.



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29 Oct 2009, 1:22 pm

I'm eating gluten free dinners right now, but I still drink my milk, because I need the calcium.


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29 Oct 2009, 1:54 pm

Well, I have to go on it because of Celiac, but I'm always cheating on it. I mean, gluten's in everything! And sometimes doing without the foods that have it, well...it's hard.



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29 Oct 2009, 2:02 pm

I take the skin of chicken when I eat it.

Does that count?


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31 Oct 2009, 8:45 am

It's all a chain reaction.

The GFCF diet is for leaky gut syndrome, which is caused by an overgrowth of candida, which is caused by the immune system response to combat mercury (candida absorbs it).
Mercury also blocks the enzymes necessary to digest these proteins in Gluten and Dairy.

Basically it's widely accepted now that the primary trigger of autism is mercury poisoning.

Every symptom between the 2 IS IDENTICAL with minor variations in a few of the total symptoms. THE BRAIN DAMAGE IS ALSO IDENTICAL.
It also bonds to fat cells and so many tests used to diagnose it such as urine tests are unreliable, also clay baths will not alone entirely flush out metals.
The medical protocol for diagnosing Mercury poisoning is disturbingly flawed, the only reliable test is a biopsy which is out of the question for most.
The medical protocol for treatment/chelation is again very flawed. It does not flush you clean completely.

Mercury is the second most poisonous element to humans (nuclear radiation first) and should not be taken lightly. Many Autistics take a clay bath, drain it and see black clay on the bottom, this is all the mercury it's sucked out of you, scrub it off without gloves and you'll get chemical burns. It's pretty full on.

To successfully do this, you need to remove all problems, if you just remove 1, it will return as the other issues promote this. Start with mercury, but if you have leaky gut you'll notice most relief from candida, but as I said you need to get rid of the roots first.

Also to everyone calling it pseudo science. A study tested 110 autistic patients for Leaky gut Syndrome, 107 patients ended up having leaky gut. Pretty impressive numbers.



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31 Oct 2009, 8:57 am

jametto wrote:
Basically it's widely accepted now that the primary trigger of autism is mercury poisoning.

I don't think so!

The many studies about gluten, gluten sensitivity, immune-system reactions to gliadin, celiac disease, neuropathy, gluten-ataxia, etc etc etc, that I have referenced/linked and quoted in this thread are scientific, sound, some of them "very large sample", and definitely not pseudoscience, ( and none of them claim that a gf diet can cure autism ), but the mercury angle remains unsubstantiated, is even, ( as far as many/most people are concerned), disproved, and very definitely pseudoscience, ie. not "widely accepted" by any stretch of the imagination.

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31 Oct 2009, 9:31 am

ouinon wrote:
jametto wrote:
Basically it's widely accepted now that the primary trigger of autism is mercury poisoning.

I don't think so!

The studies about gluten, gluten sensitivity, celiec disease, neuropathy, gluten-ataxia, etc, that I have referenced/linked and quoted in this thread are scientific, sound, some of them "very large sample", and definitely not pseudoscience, but the mercury angle remains unsubstantiated, is even, ( as far as many/most people are concerned), disproved, and very definitely pseudoscience, ie. not "widely accepted" by any stretch of the imagination.

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Pretty arrogant post, your "facts" are actually no more factual than mine. The outcome of the gluten effect results in the peptides affecting the brain, which causes brain fog and other things that apply to hundreds of illnesses. Your so called facts are far too general. Mercury poisoning however has symptoms that only occur in itself and Autism, no other illnesses! That there is a already a stronger link.

You misinterpret me also, I said it's a chain reaction, not one or the other. The close minded idea of a single cure for everything is not entirely true, life is not that simple. Autism is a combination of MULTIPLE causes, if this was incorrect then it wouldn't be a spectrum. I don't understand how gluten sensitivity, celiec disease, neuropathy, gluten-ataxia are linked to autism any more than Mercury poisoning is.

There are far more scientific studies linking it to mercury over Gluten. Yes Gluten is a massive factor, but not the root. Mercury poisoning has over 80 symptoms that are far more similar than the ones you have proposed. Brain damage from Mercury poisoning: Front lobe, left cerebal cortex are identical compared to autism. Certain symptoms can only be found between the 2, the symptoms you describe are very broad and can be found in hundreds of illnesses.

I need 2 more posts to post a link for some reason sigh.

Gluten is also a major factor, but can only cause brain symptoms if it gets into the bloodstream, it's not physically possible otherwise, therefore the patient must have leaky bowel and almost all of autistics do like I stated. But not all, therefore it cannot be a primary cause.

I'll say it again, mercury is scientifically proven to inhibit the enzymes NECESSARY to digest gluten.



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31 Oct 2009, 9:56 am

The "mercury causes autism" theory is quite simply NOT widely accepted though!

jametto wrote:
The outcome of the gluten effect results in the peptides affecting the brain.

No, this is not the only or even the most important "outcome".

The most destructive effect of gluten ( in people with gluten intolerance ) on the brain/neurology, aswell as other organs, seems to be immune-system mediated, involving inflammatory cytokines, etc etc etc. The theory that food-opioid peptides affect brain functioning is still relatively unsubstantiated, ( though there is plenty of anecdotal evidence for the addictive nature of gluten ), and in fact if it turns out to be true it is likely that everybody experiences some opioid effect from eating gluten/wheat, ( aswell as dairy ). Although a "leaky gut" would probably cause more such peptides to reach the brain the only studies so far which have linked "leaky gut" with autism ( by Wakefield ) have been effectively debunked/exposed as biased, poorly controlled etc.

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There are far more scientific studies linking [ autism ] to mercury over Gluten. Yes Gluten is a massive factor, but not the root.

None of the papers that I have quoted, or linked to, ( apart from the Sunderland Protocol, which promotes the food opioid theory but whose chief value I believe lies in eliminating the immune-system mediated effects on neurophysiological function ), suggest that gluten is responsible for causing autism, nor that a gf diet can cure autism.

You on the other hand claim that mercury causes autism and that mercury-leeching therapies can cure autism to some extent. There are, as far as I am aware, no reliable scientific studies supporting this claim.

I look forward to seeing the papers/studies you say do prove it, but on another thread, about "mercury and autism", not on this one which is about the gfcf diet and how it can help with anxiety, depression, sensory-issues, brain-fog, poor cognitive-function, mood-disorder, and other problems, ( some of which are particularly common among people on the spectrum and some which are not ).
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31 Oct 2009, 10:37 am

However, while we're on the subject of "leaky guts" I recently came across some interesting new data on the effect of gliadin ( the part of gluten which triggers immune-system reactions ) on intestinal membrane cell-junctions, in "The Dark Side of Wheat" by Sayer Ji, available at:

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/content/dar ... e-sayer-ji

which states that gliadin actually causes an upregulation of zonulin in everyone, ( not just in the gluten-sensitive ); zonulin triggers increased intestinal permeability. The whole article is brilliant but I shall just quote a very small section:

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Wheat Gliadin Creates Intestinal Permeability
Gliadin upregulates the production of a protein known as zonulin, which modulates intestinal permeability. Over-expression of zonulin is involved in a number of autoimmune disorders, including celiac disease and Type 1 diabetes. Researchers have found that “gliadin activates zonulin signaling irrespective of the genetic expression of autoimmunity, leading to increased intestinal permeability to macromolecules. A pathological response to wheat gluten is a normal or human, species specific response, and is not based entirely on genetic susceptibilities. Intestinal permeability is associated with wide range of disease states, including cardiovascular illness, liver disease and many autoimmune disorders.

Someone even better read on the subject ;), much better in fact, on the forum where I posted this, replied that yes, this was true, ( gliadin has this effect on everyone's gut ) but that there were studies to show that the increase in zonulin production, ( which causes gut permeability ), is higher, and longer lasting, in people with celiac disease/gluten sensitivity:

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Gliadin, zonulin and gut permeability: Effects on celiac and non-celiac intestinal mucosa and intestinal cell lines.
Drago S, El Asmar R, Di Pierro M, Grazia Clemente M, Tripathi A, Sapone A, Thakar M, Iacono G, Carroccio A, D'Agate C, Not T, Zampini L, Catassi C, Fasano A.

Mucosal Biology Research Center, Center for Celiac Research and Division of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition, University of Maryland, School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD 21201, USA.

OBJECTIVE: Little is known about the interaction of gliadin with intestinal epithelial cells and the mechanism(s) through which gliadin crosses the intestinal epithelial barrier. We investigated whether gliadin has any immediate effect on zonulin release and signaling. MATERIAL AND METHODS: Both ex vivo human small intestines and intestinal cell monolayers were exposed to gliadin, and zonulin release and changes in paracellular permeability were monitored in the presence and absence of zonulin antagonism. Zonulin binding, cytoskeletal rearrangement, and zonula occludens-1 (ZO-1) redistribution were evaluated by immunofluorescence microscopy. Tight junction occludin and ZO-1 gene expression was evaluated by real-time polymerase chain reaction (PCR). RESULTS: When exposed to gliadin, zonulin receptor-positive IEC6 and Caco2 cells released zonulin in the cell medium with subsequent zonulin binding to the cell surface, rearrangement of the cell cytoskeleton, loss of occludin-ZO1 protein-protein interaction, and increased monolayer permeability. Pretreatment with the zonulin antagonist FZI/0 blocked these changes without affecting zonulin release. When exposed to luminal gliadin, intestinal biopsies from celiac patients in remission expressed a sustained luminal zonulin release and increase in intestinal permeability that was blocked by FZI/0 pretreatment. Conversely, biopsies from non-celiac patients demonstrated a limited, transient zonulin release which was paralleled by an increase in intestinal permeability that never reached the level of permeability seen in celiac disease (CD) tissues. Chronic gliadin exposure caused down-regulation of both ZO-1 and occludin gene expression. CONCLUSIONS: Based on our results, we concluded that gliadin activates zonulin signaling irrespective of the genetic expression of autoimmunity, leading to increased intestinal permeability to macromolecules.

PMID: 16635908 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1663 ... stractPlus


And here is link to further info on the subject:

http://jccglutenfree.googlepages.com/zonulin

Speculation: ;) In other words, as a huge study recently found a correlation between mothers with autoimmune diseases, ( particularly celiac ), and their having children on the autism spectrum, ( three times as likely to ) there is reason to think that the intestines of people on the spectrum may be more likely to react to gluten ( the gliadin in it ) in this way than the general population.

And so the theory that the brains of people on the spectrum are more exposed to food opioid peptides than the general population may turn out to be exact ... and Karl Reichelt's theory that gluten peculiarly affects the construction of the growing brain in many people on the spectrum may turn out to be solid.

Presumably your argument about mercury and the chain-reaction refers to the possibility that these immune-system reactions, ( such that gliadin causes more zonulin production and thus greater gut permeability ), rather than being innate/genetic etc, are epigenetic, triggered by vaccinations etc, which are challenges to the immune-system to which our bodies are simply not adapted.

I wonder if they would ever screen all babies for this gliadin-antibody/immune-system reaction ( which determines the strength of the zonulin/gut-"opening" response ), before allowing babies/infants to touch a crumb of wheat!

But even if gluten, and other factors in a complex chain reaction, turn out to be involved in creating autism, ( as the environment, epigenetically and otherwise, is responsible for creating all kinds of profound differences ), this does not mean that it would be possible, or even desirable, to "cure" it ...

[ Gluten and gliadin ( new protein molecules which emerged as the result of a mutation in goats grasses at the end of the last ice age, 15,000 years ago ) may after all be responsible for the beginnings of civilisation! ;) ] ... now it's me going off-topic! :oops:

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31 Oct 2009, 11:54 am

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jametto wrote: Basically it's widely accepted now that the primary trigger of autism is mercury poisoning. ... Many Autistics take a clay bath, drain it and see black clay on the bottom, this is all the mercury it's sucked out of you, scrub it off without gloves and you'll get chemical burns. It's pretty full on ... .

PS. I'm sorry to have come down so heavily on your posts, but phrases like the above are really not very helpful, ( the one you bolded about the mercury-autism connection being "widely accepted" simply isn't true ), as they make you sound like a "cure troll", one of too many making wild unsupported claims, who still post so often on WP.

I would be interested to read studies on the effect of mercury on gluten breakdown, if you have links/refs. And think it is interesting that you say the gfcf diet "is for leaky gut" because it is true that gliadin does trigger the production of the gut-opening chemical zonulin, but it is far from being the only, or even the most important effect of gluten on people with gluten-sensitivity, and I am very dubious about chelation and other heavy-metal-elimination procedures.



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31 Oct 2009, 12:01 pm

Wow, I get that this is your special interest... but triple-post much?

Yeah. Mercury/autism is highly discredited. Autism isn't higher in populations where they eat a lot of fish. Nor have autism rates gone down since they took it out of kids' required immunizations. Nor do kids with autism have higher mercury levels (unless it's a quack doctor doing the testing), nor do they have the vast majority of the symptoms of mercury poisoning. The mercury compound in vaccines is a totally different thing from the mercury that's highly toxic (basic chemistry here, people) and the people blaming mercury probably haven't got a clue what "the dose makes the poison" even means.

Also... read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_po ... d_symptoms
And tell me whether that even looks like autism to you. Only one symptom actually matches--photophobia--and it's not even found in all autistic people.


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31 Oct 2009, 2:25 pm

I voted 'am on it now' but my diet is not 100% strict - life is hard enough as it is. I ate a brownie yesterday (but it was vegan) and it was great. Generally I notice I feel a lot better when I eat very, very little wheat and dairy. My diet is also mainly organic and vegan for the same reason.

Yes it's a lot of work, but so is depression.

About mercury, I know it's not an issue for most people who are autistic but I've read some accounts of kids who became essentially vegetables (autistic vegetables, as it happens, but that's hardly the main problem) after MMR. Some people die if someone eats peanuts in the same room whereas most people can eat peanutbutter every day of their lives without a problem - surely it is not unreasonable that some people's immune systems cannot cope with a toxic injection which is specifically designed to mess with their immune systems, even though the vast majority of people suffer no ill effects.

We need to get away from the all or nothing mentality and accept that people are biochemically unique and there is no way of predicting for sure how one person reacts to a substance based on how other people have responded to it.



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01 Nov 2009, 11:34 am

Mercury is scientifically proven to block the DPP4 enzyme that digests gluten, AND CASEIN.

I wish I could post the link with the symptoms, I PM'd it to ouinon but can't display it here due to having only 4 posts after this one.

I believe Mercury should also be discussed in this thread as it is directly linked to this issue.