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27 Jan 2006, 11:35 am

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But let me address the "I tried creating a superhero and NOBODY RESPONDED!" I've started and responded to a lot of threads on this forum and others and in RL (check the thread here about being ignored or invisible) and had that response. I've poured my heart and soul into writing and gotten Form One rejection slips (0.125 of a sheet of paper with a canned message, faded from multiple xeroxing) a hellish number of times. In short, this is part of the whole "Yeah. Life sucks." thing. Which Buddhists will recognize as Buddha's greatest discovery, the First Noble Truth.

I am not going to judge anybody else's pain, having done my own share of whining and shaking my fists at the heavens. I certainly can't judge what's going on inside anybody else's mind. Nor suggest remedies, since everyone's greatest pain is different. All I can say is that we've all dealt with all sorts of sh** and survived, and here's my take on it.

It's not what happens to you, though that can be devastating and even fatal. It's how you deal with it and what you make of it. I've heard Roman Catholic sources say that pain, accepted and channeled towards a definite end, can be a very constructive thing. (C.S. Lewis' analogies are to stone being polished and dogs being taken to the vet, the groomer, and puppy school. God certainly sent HIM to puppy school - very late in life, too! But I digress.)

Yes, it all boils down to the message of the cat on the tree branch, "Hang in there." Sorry.


Hallelujah! Someone I agree with. I think Fight Club embodies perfectly the answer to life's relatively small problems. The ability to let that which does not matter, truly slide. Life sucks, why worry? Noone gets out of life alive. Everyone and everything is insignificant compared to the grand scale of the universe. It is only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.

Edit: Why can't they make the attaching of signatures automatic?
Edit2: Oh wait, you can!



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27 Jan 2006, 11:50 am

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I suppose people have different reasons for coming here. To be blunt, mine don't have anything to do with understanding NTs; I can walk down to the corner shop and do that. Furthermore, I don't feel particularly comfortable with NTs coming here to "understand" us, as if observing rats in the laboratory. To be brutally honest, if the NT density here increased above a certain level, I probably wouldn't bother posting. Of course, that would no doubt please a few in the upper echelons of WP, but it would also, I suggest, be indicative of how a large number of other people who post here feel.

Naturally, I've nothing against neurotypicals, it's just my experiences in these internet places are that the few people who seem to make any sense, and who I'd feel comfortable communicating with, are diagnosed with AS, or at least think they have it. I'm not trying to elicit any kind of emotional response out of you, either. So, don't think I've anything against you; I'm sure you at least mean well.

Puhlease, don't be so hypocritical. Aren't NT's just rats in our laboratories? Don't we spend our whole lives analysing and observing NTs to help us fit in, to understand how to get friends and be liked? To think that others might do that to us, well, it's amusing that people find it uncomfortable.
It's my experience that AS people are the worst people to debate with. They have a very hard time examining their own beliefs and perspectives. Look at the view that we're such logical people, that we look at things a lot more logically than normal people. Wouldn't you think that we'd all be thinking the same things, if logic were so clear and precise and, well, logical? Fact is, logic is relative too. We look at things with our own brand of logic, a logic that changes from person to person. We are no freer than NTs. We, moreso than they, are slaves to our "logical" thought processes.


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27 Jan 2006, 12:03 pm

Yay! Something that I actually agree with Captain Freud above me!

I wanna be a HFA someday, like Danlo! :O



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27 Jan 2006, 12:14 pm

I see hope for you yet, ThePeaGuy. Perhaps one day, if you are lucky, your wish may be granted. :D


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27 Jan 2006, 12:24 pm

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ascan wrote:
I suppose people have different reasons for coming here. To be blunt, mine don't have anything to do with understanding NTs; I can walk down to the corner shop and do that. Furthermore, I don't feel particularly comfortable with NTs coming here to "understand" us, as if observing rats in the laboratory. To be brutally honest, if the NT density here increased above a certain level, I probably wouldn't bother posting. Of course, that would no doubt please a few in the upper echelons of WP, but it would also, I suggest, be indicative of how a large number of other people who post here feel.

Naturally, I've nothing against neurotypicals, it's just my experiences in these internet places are that the few people who seem to make any sense, and who I'd feel comfortable communicating with, are diagnosed with AS, or at least think they have it. I'm not trying to elicit any kind of emotional response out of you, either. So, don't think I've anything against you; I'm sure you at least mean well.

Puhlease, don't be so hypocritical. Aren't NT's just rats in our laboratories? Don't we spend our whole lives analysing and observing NTs to help us fit in, to understand how to get friends and be liked? To think that others might do that to us, well, it's amusing that people find it uncomfortable.
It's my experience that AS people are the worst people to debate with. They have a very hard time examining their own beliefs and perspectives. Look at the view that we're such logical people, that we look at things a lot more logically than normal people. Wouldn't you think that we'd all be thinking the same things, if logic were so clear and precise and, well, logical? Fact is, logic is relative too. We look at things with our own brand of logic, a logic that changes from person to person. We are no freer than NTs. We, moreso than they, are slaves to our "logical" thought processes.


Thank you for this post. I came here looking for more information on Aspergers, and I wasn't expecting to find all this hostility towards people who don't have it. Yeah I got bullied in school, but I came to the conclusion that there are two kinds of people out there. A**holes and people that aren't a**holes. I didn't jump to the conclusion that anyone different from me were all jerks. Aren't these the same sentiments that I see people on here complain about Nts possessing? So what does it matter how far some of you succeed if you become just like the people you despise?



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27 Jan 2006, 12:32 pm

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It's my experience that AS people are the worst people to debate with. They have a very hard time examining their own beliefs and perspectives. Look at the view that we're such logical people, that we look at things a lot more logically than normal people. Wouldn't you think that we'd all be thinking the same things, if logic were so clear and precise and, well, logical? Fact is, logic is relative too. We look at things with our own brand of logic, a logic that changes from person to person. We are no freer than NTs. We, moreso than they, are slaves to our "logical" thought processes.

Well, if that's the case there are plenty of opportunities for you to debate with neurotypicals, elsewhere, if that's what you want. However, there are few places where there are enough ASD type people together to maintain an interesting environment. Luckily, this is one such place. It seems apparent, though, that the more you bring in neurotypicals, the more they will end up dominating the place with their issues, at the expense of the rest of us. That's my opinion. Seems quite reasonable.

Btw, just so that I can understand where you're coming from, what "other Autistic Spectrum" condition do you have?



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27 Jan 2006, 12:37 pm

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So what does it matter how far some of you succeed if you become just like the people you despise?

I don't see anyone despising anyone else.



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27 Jan 2006, 12:44 pm

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Btw, just so that I can understand where you're coming from, what "other Autistic Spectrum" condition do you have?


He has the same label as my best friend, "autism".



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27 Jan 2006, 12:48 pm

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Btw, just so that I can understand where you're coming from, what "other Autistic Spectrum" condition do you have?


He has the same label as my best friend, "autism".

I was asking him, thepeaguy. I know you mentioned HFA, but I wasn't sure if you were just making an assumption.



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27 Jan 2006, 12:52 pm

btw, my reference to AS included HFA; I don't really think there's too much difference between them. (Just an opinion)



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27 Jan 2006, 12:56 pm

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So what does it matter how far some of you succeed if you become just like the people you despise?

I don't see anyone despising anyone else.


Then you must have missed the 'Why do NTs do this', 'I was tricked by an NT', 'NTs are so boring', 'NTs, NTs, Nts! Constantly in threads. Something else that I find amusing is the fact that I see some people on this board call everyone they don't like an NT. I wasn't aware that schools, jobs, and other facilities hand out a person's psyche report like candy. Since that's the only way you could possibly assume someone is neurotypical to begin with.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:02 pm

To each your own.


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27 Jan 2006, 1:18 pm

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Thank you for this post. I came here looking for more information on Aspergers, and I wasn't expecting to find all this hostility towards people who don't have it. Yeah I got bullied in school, but I came to the conclusion that there are two kinds of people out there. A**holes and people that aren't a**holes. I didn't jump to the conclusion that anyone different from me were all jerks. Aren't these the same sentiments that I see people on here complain about Nts possessing? So what does it matter how far some of you succeed if you become just like the people you despise?

Exactly, Sorce, exactly! All the sentiments that we accuse NT's of having towards us, we direct straight back at them! People are so hung up on an AS-NT division that isn't there, when it's much simpler and individualistic: Some people are as*holes, some people aren't!

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I don't see anyone despising anyone else.

You don't see it, because you share it. It's a hard thing, to realize when your views are bias and hostile and everything you hate about someone else.

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Well, if that's the case there are plenty of opportunities for you to debate with neurotypicals, elsewhere, if that's what you want. However, there are few places where there are enough ASD type people together to maintain an interesting environment. Luckily, this is one such place. It seems apparent, though, that the more you bring in neurotypicals, the more they will end up dominating the place with their issues, at the expense of the rest of us. That's my opinion. Seems quite reasonable.

Btw, just so that I can understand where you're coming from, what "other Autistic Spectrum" condition do you have?

And give up my only source of entertainment, to point out all the ways that they are bound in all the ways I am not? Nevah! I love to consider myself superior to everyone else, you should know. I love to point out the limitations of a certain view, to point out alternate ways to view the same situation, to try and free you from the limitations of your egocentricity. For instance, the view that a place requires ASD people to maintain an interesting environment, is utterly relative. It seems apparent, though, that the more ASD people you have, the more conflict arises. The problem is with inflexibility and rigidity of worldviews that autistics possess, not to mention their narcissistic nature, whereas NTs are more flexibile in the rigidity of their thinking.
As to what "other Autistic Spectrum" I am, well, the only options they have are Aspergers, Neurotypical and Other. I'm dx'd with Autistic Disorder, not Aspergers; there is all the difference in the world, even if it is as simple (and as complex) as a single trait that causes a difference in expression. What matters, is to not deride another because of that difference, no matter how big.


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27 Jan 2006, 1:20 pm

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So what does it matter how far some of you succeed if you become just like the people you despise?

I don't see anyone despising anyone else.


Then you must have missed the 'Why do NTs do this', 'I was tricked by an NT', 'NTs are so boring', 'NTs, NTs, Nts! Constantly in threads. Something else that I find amusing is the fact that I see some people on this board call everyone they don't like an NT. I wasn't aware that schools, jobs, and other facilities hand out a person's psyche report like candy. Since that's the only way you could possibly assume someone is neurotypical to begin with.


NTs pinch my chips from my tea a few times. I now feel inclined to write a rant on those f*****s now.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:21 pm

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So what does it matter how far some of you succeed if you become just like the people you despise?

I don't see anyone despising anyone else.


Then you must have missed the 'Why do NTs do this', 'I was tricked by an NT', 'NTs are so boring', 'NTs, NTs, Nts! Constantly in threads. Something else that I find amusing is the fact that I see some people on this board call everyone they don't like an NT. I wasn't aware that schools, jobs, and other facilities hand out a person's psyche report like candy. Since that's the only way you could possibly assume someone is neurotypical to begin with.


I didn't look at that one; I must admit some threads I just ignore. I thought, as you included a quote from what I said, that you may be refering to me. Anyway, I think you're perhaps attaching too much negativity to the way "NT" is used in these places. Generally, it's just a convenient way to collectively refer to those who don't have AS or HFA. I try not to use the word too much, but it's useful sometimes. My own personal view is that there's not too much radical anti-NT rhetoric here; but even if there is, I think some people are entitled to occasionally let off some steam considering the way they get treated like s**t in the big world. And I'm not apportioning blame for the way they get treated, btw; they just do. If it's convenient for them to blame NTs, briefly, to have some tangible focus for their anger, then best of luck to them.



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27 Jan 2006, 1:31 pm

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For instance, the view that a place requires ASD people to maintain an interesting environment, is utterly relative.

Yes. Relative to the fact this is an "Aspergers and Autism Community". That's why people come here, isn't it? We're not in a forum for fisherman, or fornicators, are we? I guess most ASD people's views wouldn't create too interesting an environment there.