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26 Aug 2009, 6:47 pm

HAve you figured out what the SG stands for?


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26 Aug 2009, 10:31 pm

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I did go to the police because I want to do more investigating, but I want to make sure there is absolutly no risk. I founf out from the police that some SG members have been involved in Anti Autistic behavior in the past, but there was a reformation a few years ago and all they really do is encurage a return to pre war life. The police told me that the SG is not a bad group itself, and as long as they don't get violent or make any overt threats, I have no need to worry. The police gave me some information on the SG, which I've been reading. It says that when they started in Essen in 2005, they were a very non threatning group, but over several months, they became increasingly hostile toward Autistic people until the reformation when several of the officers and many of the men were sxpelled by Anna Konig. From that point on, they wrestled with anti Autistic feelings for a while, but two years ago they calmed down and have been preaching a return to prewar, pre WWI, Germany and rape awareness. They don't really have any "enemies," but they are against censorship and are unfriendly, though peaceful, toward psycopaths and sociopaths. Except for their turbulant beginning, I haven't seen anything indicating they have an intrest in Autistic people in recent years. It's possible they want me to register because they are looking to protect Autistic people should there ever be another hate movement within them again, or if the renegade SG members who were expelled still pose a threat to Autistic people. I'm about to start looking into this group even more, and I'm very glad to know that they are very likely not a threat.

Whatever you do, don't cooperate with them. Their anti-autistic attitude, even if they are not being threatening, means they favor eugenics.


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26 Aug 2009, 11:21 pm

You are aware what pre-WWI Germany was, right? It was an empire, practically... building up an army, getting ready to take over in general. No, this group is bad news if they want that back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Empire

They are bad news. Don't believe the people who say they are "not dangerous". They are "not dangerous" in the same way a sleeping viper is "not dangerous"--and snake-lovers, I mean that figuratively; assume the viper is aggressive and just waiting for a chance to bite.


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26 Aug 2009, 11:35 pm

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You are aware what pre-WWI Germany was, right? It was an empire, practically... building up an army, getting ready to take over in general. No, this group is bad news if they want that back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Empire

They are bad news. Don't believe the people who say they are "not dangerous". They are "not dangerous" in the same way a sleeping viper is "not dangerous"--and snake-lovers, I mean that figuratively; assume the viper is aggressive and just waiting for a chance to bite.


Germany is not as bad as you make it appear and, frankly, I don't think ANY government should be trusted blindly.

BTW the NAZIs did NOT want the empire back. SURE hitler wanted to be a dictator, but his promise to the Nazis was to have a SOCIALIST state! NAZI literally means National Socialism!



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27 Aug 2009, 4:12 am

I'm not talking about nazis... that was forty years further on in history, and rather irrelevant, if they were talking about pre WWI. Pre-WWI Germany was all about expanding and grabbing all the colonies they could get their hands on. They were also into dominating other countries economically. It was not a good thing and not something to want to go back to, especially since that kind of blatant competitiveness eventually led to... oh, I don't know, a freaking world war! They have come a long way since then and there is no good reason to want to go back. It's called "progress" for a reason.

BTW, I should mention that I am a first-generation immigrant to the US from Germany. I do not suffer from Nazi stereotypes and if I am trying to make Germany look bad, then I might as well be making myself look bad... Besides, we forget how much the US bought into the eugenics movement, too, hmm?

When a group of people goes around trying to register autistic people as though they were dangerous criminals, they are bad news no matter what country they're in.


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27 Aug 2009, 6:02 am

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I'm not talking about nazis... that was forty years further on in history, and rather irrelevant, if they were talking about pre WWI. Pre-WWI Germany was all about expanding and grabbing all the colonies they could get their hands on. They were also into dominating other countries economically. It was not a good thing and not something to want to go back to, especially since that kind of blatant competitiveness eventually led to... oh, I don't know, a freaking world war! They have come a long way since then and there is no good reason to want to go back. It's called "progress" for a reason.

BTW, I should mention that I am a first-generation immigrant to the US from Germany. I do not suffer from Nazi stereotypes and if I am trying to make Germany look bad, then I might as well be making myself look bad... Besides, we forget how much the US bought into the eugenics movement, too, hmm?

When a group of people goes around trying to register autistic people as though they were dangerous criminals, they are bad news no matter what country they're in.


Well, I DID not say that Germany was 100% innocent. I only said that the iempire was different from the NAZI movement and had different goals, and that Germany was never the ONLY one. BTW there IS a set of groups in the US that are similar to the NAZIs. Obviously, they CAN'T really be "nationalistic", so it gets confused by race or people see them as a group simply separate from race. Still, if you listen closely, it is the same basic message as the lowest level of the NAZIs or the communists. And it was THOSE grups that paveed the way for their respective governments.

So NO, I am NOT fooled into thinking the US is innocent or safe. Sadly, quite the contrary.



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27 Aug 2009, 7:11 am

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If this is indeed a real organization, then stay far away from them.

If they continue to pester you, speak to the friend that told a member about you. Tell him/her that if this group doesn't stop harassing you, you are no longer their friend. They should have known that this group was shady before disclosing your self-diagnosis to them. Either they didn't know that this group was bad news, or they knew, and they thought that telling this group about you was "better for everyone".


I'm not sure I can really consider them responsible. They probably had the best intentions, or they didn't know the person they talked to was an SG member. I doubt they thought they "were helping everyone."


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27 Aug 2009, 7:11 am

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HAve you figured out what the SG stands for?


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27 Aug 2009, 7:14 am

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AnonymissMadchen wrote:
I did go to the police because I want to do more investigating, but I want to make sure there is absolutly no risk. I founf out from the police that some SG members have been involved in Anti Autistic behavior in the past, but there was a reformation a few years ago and all they really do is encurage a return to pre war life. The police told me that the SG is not a bad group itself, and as long as they don't get violent or make any overt threats, I have no need to worry. The police gave me some information on the SG, which I've been reading. It says that when they started in Essen in 2005, they were a very non threatning group, but over several months, they became increasingly hostile toward Autistic people until the reformation when several of the officers and many of the men were sxpelled by Anna Konig. From that point on, they wrestled with anti Autistic feelings for a while, but two years ago they calmed down and have been preaching a return to prewar, pre WWI, Germany and rape awareness. They don't really have any "enemies," but they are against censorship and are unfriendly, though peaceful, toward psycopaths and sociopaths. Except for their turbulant beginning, I haven't seen anything indicating they have an intrest in Autistic people in recent years. It's possible they want me to register because they are looking to protect Autistic people should there ever be another hate movement within them again, or if the renegade SG members who were expelled still pose a threat to Autistic people. I'm about to start looking into this group even more, and I'm very glad to know that they are very likely not a threat.

Whatever you do, don't cooperate with them. Their anti-autistic attitude, even if they are not being threatening, means they favor eugenics.


Do all anti Autistic people favor eugenics? I don't think they ever did, and I read that they arn't anti Autistic anymore, or at least no openly. Don't worry, there's little chance of me cooperating with them.


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27 Aug 2009, 7:19 am

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Katie_WPG wrote:
If this is indeed a real organization, then stay far away from them.

If they continue to pester you, speak to the friend that told a member about you. Tell him/her that if this group doesn't stop harassing you, you are no longer their friend. They should have known that this group was shady before disclosing your self-diagnosis to them. Either they didn't know that this group was bad news, or they knew, and they thought that telling this group about you was "better for everyone".


I'm not sure I can really consider them responsible. They probably had the best intentions, or they didn't know the person they talked to was an SG member. I doubt they thought they "were helping everyone."


Either way, they violated your trust. They shouldn't be going around declaring your self-diagnosis to: A) People from "Protection groups"(which is probably a nice way of saying "Citizens against the 'mentally deficient'") B) People that they don't know well enough to know that they are a member of a "Protection group".

They SHOULD have the power to call this group off. Assuming that they were on friendly terms with the member they told. If they don't, then they obviously don't care about your right to privacy.



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27 Aug 2009, 7:22 am

Can I just say that if this really happened, they sound like very dangerous people. But it's possible (and please don't be offended) that this didn't "really" happen. Is there any chance that you're schizophrenic?



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27 Aug 2009, 12:29 pm

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Xelebes wrote:
HAve you figured out what the SG stands for?


Protection Group


Sekuritat Gruppe?

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27 Aug 2009, 1:07 pm

Either this is a joke or you are one naive person.

I may have a very secretive and distrusting personality but even so, I find it odd that alarm bells wouldn't be going off in your head when some uniformed goons start trying to register you.

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27 Aug 2009, 3:06 pm

Schutz/Schützen/Sicherheits Gruppe?

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I'm not sure I can really consider them responsible. They probably had the best intentions, or they didn't know the person they talked to was an SG member. I doubt they thought they "were helping everyone."

Yes you can and should! No matter their intentions they have put you in the spotlight and most likley you are already in their register anyway (Edit: They most likley had you even before they came to you.), atleast your name and adress and possibly phonenumber. All depending on what public information about you they might access and who skillfull they are. If you have facebook/equal and they know how to find it, they might know more about you than you would ever want anyone like that to know.

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Do all anti Autistic people favor eugenics? I don't think they ever did, and...

No, alot of them are talking about "cure". These people however sounds like they are more into the "pure breed"-thinking pattern.
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...I read that they arn't anti Autistic anymore, or at least no openly. Don't worry, there's little chance of me cooperating with them.

And what do you think is the most dangerous, people who tells you before or after they start asking for your personal information that they hate everything deviant. (This is a rhetorical question. ^^)


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27 Aug 2009, 4:53 pm

I sincerely hope there's an explanation for this (a joke or whatever).

If this is real, DO NOT CONTACT THESE PEOPLE. Stay far away from them and tear up the form they gave you.

Do not open the doors if they come back. And have a talk with your "friend".



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27 Aug 2009, 5:22 pm

Come on... has nobody else had any experience with schizophrenics?

We may be aspie, but we shouldn't be naive. Either this person is lying, or they're schizophrenic. There is a very slight chance that they are having a prank played on them.

But there are no secret police or groups trying to get aspies registered. It is either a prank played on us, or the OP, or the OP is having a psychotic break. There's no other explanations, and none of us should worry about this.