They plan to delete Asperger from DSM 5

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I prefer aspies don't have any label at all 4%  4%  [ 8 ]
I prefer aspies be diagnosed with something outside autism spectrum 9%  9%  [ 16 ]
I prefer aspies be diagnosed as HFA 34%  34%  [ 62 ]
I prefer aspies continue to be diagnosed with Asperger 53%  53%  [ 97 ]
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11 Sep 2009, 12:20 am

They don't seem to want to act like interpreters. It seems, more often than not, they scoff and cannot relate, just like NTs. They remind me of NTs I have known and yet they have AS.



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11 Sep 2009, 12:40 am

Sinsboldly, are you there? I hope to find an answer. Is it a V code or a regular code? It makes a BIG difference!


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11 Sep 2009, 1:20 am

Aspies are not ill, nor are they inhuman. They are a variant of the human kind. Somewhat like people who are polydactile (have six finger hands). It is, I think, the result of a minor genetic glitch, non lethal and not particularly advantageous in reproductive success.

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11 Sep 2009, 3:27 am

Aspergers goes in High-Functioning Autism. Also, there is no 'HFA vs Aspergers' blending. easier.


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11 Sep 2009, 5:14 am

Asperger's can in some cases be a variant of LFA/MFA, actually. Depending on the case, usually with bad meltdowns and sensory issues, and depending on what you mean by LFA/MFA today. But the point is, it's a variation of autism, and there's not much point giving it special place unless you were also to give special names to all of the few dozen other possible variants of autism!


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11 Sep 2009, 6:40 am

Callista wrote:
...unless you were also to give special names to all of the few dozen other possible variants of autism!


Yep.

There's no worries that if anyone is diagnosed with AS now that they'll be left out; they'll still come under clinical ASD, just most likely the less severe one (I can see moderate too, even if it's not of the usual moderate severity autism you see now; both are equally disabling).

I'm interested in how they're going to define subclinical and normal variant personality in regards to actual manifestations of the two, and whether there's a point of including something that's not a disorder (normal variant personality) in a book about disorders.



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11 Sep 2009, 7:25 am

V codes are subclinical, but I wonder if sinsboldly meant regular codes, since the new listing LOOKS like they are listed as regular codes. I want to hear back on that.


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11 Sep 2009, 7:38 am

Asperger's is an Axis-I coding now, the same with Autism.



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11 Sep 2009, 8:01 am

Are you sure? MR and ASD's have always been Axis II, which is reserved for conditions which cannot be changed.


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11 Sep 2009, 10:13 am

I prefer the autism/ASD label to Asperger's.



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11 Sep 2009, 10:17 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
But, doesn't it seem like some people with AS have more in common with neurotypicals than they do others with AS? Like, for instance, they like being social, they have lots of friends, they know how to interact, they scoff at those of us who have issues in these areas...just like NTs do...it seems, to them, having the issues socializing and not wanting to be social are not AS problems...because they like to socialize themselves.
What are the differences between such persons and NTs?


Social problems are a key feature of AS, but some have them more severely than others, or have learned to compensate. I have never come across an Aspie who thought social problems were not part of AS.



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11 Sep 2009, 10:54 am

Asperger's is not high functioning Autism. I am much more functional that a person with HFA. I want that to be clear.



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11 Sep 2009, 11:29 am

whitetiger wrote:
Are you sure? MR and ASD's have always been Axis II, which is reserved for conditions which cannot be changed.


Yes. Axis-I is your major mood and anxiety disorders; schizophrenia, autism, Asperger's and etcetera. Axis-II has MR and personality disorders.



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11 Sep 2009, 11:35 am

kingtut3 wrote:
Asperger's is not high functioning Autism. I am much more functional that a person with HFA. I want that to be clear.


Again, there are as many shades of autism as there are people with autism. HFAs (in the present scheme) could be lower functioning, and asperegers higher functioning. And even within the aspergers diagnosis there are lower and higher impairments, and everything in between.

ASD spectrum and the various degrees of impairment could be plotted on a scale of real numbers. The lower the number the lower the functioning, for example. These numbers would NOT be sequential integers. I hope this makes sense.



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11 Sep 2009, 2:42 pm

Asperger's should exist as a label, but not be diagnosed so much. I think people with more difficulties should get the HFA label. Anyone that can pass as normal should get the AS label.



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11 Sep 2009, 2:54 pm

buryuntime wrote:
Asperger's should exist as a label, but not be diagnosed so much. I think people with more difficulties should get the HFA label. Anyone that can pass as normal should get the AS label.


If someone functions okay in daily life, they shouldn't be diagnosed with anything. Psych diagnoses should be reserved for those with significant impairments in functioning. And if they have real problems but mask them, why should they be "punished" with a label that will likely get them few or no services?