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Skilpadde
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21 Oct 2009, 4:44 am

IMForeman wrote:
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IMForeman wrote:
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Everyone rocks. Also NTs. Keep a group of NT and torture them for 2 years, they will have rocking/space-out and everything else. Rocking/Stimming, etc. are not typical of autism, they are typical of human (and animals) under pressure. We are simply ALWAYS under pressure.


Brilliant point. That would seem true. Could it also be isolation/not having social contact much and thus having to sooth oneself?


For me it's the opposite. Human contact is the reason why I need it.

Although it might hold true for NTs. Just look at those Romanian orphans who rocked or were catatonic. They weren't all autistic, but the situation they were in made them act quite autistic.


Ah I didn't make my point clearly. Even when you or I are in a room full of NTs, we're still isolated in a sense because we're not gaining positive feelings from social interaction. It's stressing us out, draining us rather than recharging us, so we turn to self soothing through other strategies.

So it makes sense that a socially isolated NT would also self sooth in this way, no? As in the above example of torture victims (drained through other means).


Ah, thank you for clarifying. Now I get what you meant. You're spot-on.



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21 Oct 2009, 5:12 am

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I think that it's important to make the distinction between stress induced behaviours/pacing/rocking and the natural curiosity of fiddling about.

When humans and apes aren't under pressure and are relaxed, they still fiddle with and manipulate objects with their hands.

Does the word 'stimming' actually distinguish between these two types of behaviours?
Stress induced vs Natural curiosity?

The 'stim toys': worry beads, stress balls, executive toys etc seem to be to do with fiddling about. I just wonder at what point natural curiosity becomes soothing? I just wonder what sort of instinct is driving the 'fiddling about' and why people seem to fiddle about with objects such as car keys, etc when they're stressed.

Does the natural behaviour just become more intense with the stress?


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Stimming refers to 'Any repetitive motion or sound which serves to stimulate the neural network' stimming seems to be an issue that parents find hard to deal with and often fail to see the reason behind them. I stim constantly When I am bored, when I am deep in thought almost all the time. I am always bouncing my feet, or tapping with my fingers.
Some parents get very upset when their child "stims," either because it "looks funny" (e.g., when the child flaps their hands or their head or rocks) or because other children tease the stimming child. Repetitive behaviour are mostly I think to engage the senses Examples include humming, clapping, hand flapping, manipulating objects (such as ripping paper), or spinning sometimes it is a security issue to feel safe and in control. Rocking is a common form of stimming and many individuals with ASD do it rocking back a forth a few times helps refocus when I become overly sensitive to the world around me. It creates a single, separate, expected sensory familiarity, which is under complete control some may as I do jump from foot to foot, when anxious or stressed. Some autistic people have asserted that the stim serves as a way to channel all the pent up energy and surplus information accumulated from the day a way of being able to turn down the volume of mental traffic, and to be able to focus again. I do different things for many different reasons my stimming usually starts unconsciously but can also happen when stressed, relaxed, in pain, bored, etc. My stimming behaviours’ (finger flicking, blinking really fast, jumping from one foot to the other) and many more some triggered by stress some by sensory issues I get very upset when snapped back into the real world from stimming.
These were my way of keeping sane blocking out sounds, sights, and smells that grated at my very soul. As I got older I learnt to modify them into something more acceptable and less visible or at best save it for when I'm alone, although my stims are mostly finger stuff, rubbing clenching my jaw, scrunching my face some noises do still creep in..When I was younger, I flapped, spun, and jumped up and down just has my own children do now. And there is nothing I like better than spinning and flapping with my children lol


Stimming can be a lot of different behaviours as a reaction to several input. Stress is only one factor. Boredom and anxiety are others.
Not all are negative. Sometimes simple thoughtfulness (pacing, shaking my leg, tapping my chin et c), concentration (I'm bad at clicking pens when I write, for instance) or something like day dreams or listening to music can elicit them. I find them an excellent tool for focusing.

I think everybody has a fiddle need. A boy I knew in high school said it like this: "Everybody is a little hyperactive. If you sit still you'll start fiddling with something." Everyone in class seemed to agree with that.

I think nearly all people do stims whether they're relaxed or nervous/stressed. I guess we just do them even more and in a more noticable way. Although I remember another boy whose stim/fiddling was to build. He'd use anything available on his desk and it was fascinating to watch and see how high his stacks of weird buildings could go!



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21 Oct 2009, 11:29 am

Skilpadde wrote:
Although I remember another boy whose stim/fiddling was to build. He'd use anything available on his desk and it was fascinating to watch and see how high his stacks of weird buildings could go!


This could 'open the door' to things like architecture or design.

It's really interesting.
When I was little, I used to play with a toy that connected together using plastic tubes and plastic cartoon animal/human heads. I used to build structures with it. I wondered about bonds between people and animals, and what things were made of. I did this when no-one else wanted to play with me as a kind of stress relief. It was curiosity too.

Fast forward the clock about 13 years and I'd be fiddling about with molecule building sets in organic chemistry class. I remember feeling a little stressed at school because it was very crowded and noisy. I'd be twirling the trans structures around their single carbon bonds and feeling much less stressed. In my fiddling, I realised that I couldn't twirl the double carbon bonds in cis structures: the molecule would remain in a 'kinked' shape. So I was relieving my stress and learning about the fascinating 3D molecular structure at the same time. I'd also be manipulating the molecules on computer and drawing out the structures using shorthand. I'd also look at the shape and patterns of the molecules, and use these to solve calculation problems.


So what started as a simple stress relieving activity turned into something productive that I could get credited for, and would 'open the door' to other things.

Take an investigative 'stim' into a socially acceptable setting like a chemistry lab and nobody minds if you fiddle about with plastic molecules. They think you're working very hard and you are!

You're relaxing and working very hard at the same time!