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17 Apr 2010, 7:07 am

I'm part jewish. Its pretty far back so it's a small part. But if autism has a genetic link, I would trace it back through my Father, to his father, to my great grandfather, who was half jewish. It appears the autism follows the jewish lineage in my family, which is also the Polish lineage. Could also be a coincidence.



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17 Apr 2010, 12:46 pm

I have wondered about this in the past, have found a web site in the past where the author had some research to back up this theory (did not know what to think about it tho)
My mother at one point worked on the families roots and once told me that I probably have Jewish ancesters. I have seriously have considered taking a Dna test, you know the ones advertised on the internet, to have this conformed
Oh an other thing I have heard about Ashkenazi Jewish women is they have a really high incidence of breast cancer, this fits in my family,anyways
Just being my curious self



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17 Apr 2010, 10:24 pm

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Actually, Luther's antisemitic rants were almost forgotten, till Hitler resurrected them. Even in Luther's life time, his wife, friends, and his fellow theologians were rather embarrassed by his rants against Jews, and saw that these writings were suppressed after he died. Hitler didn't have to base his antisemitism on any thing Luther wrote, rather, he only used it to justify his own hate.

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so then to this day does anyone at all know why in hell Hitler hated Jews to begin with?

I mean...the guy was a moron; I know that, but otherwise....?



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17 Apr 2010, 10:31 pm

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I wouldn't believe it unless somebody actually showed me the stats. They're bound to have higher rates of some things because they've got a smaller, more isolated gene pool; but I've never heard of any particular connection with autism.


I doubt there are any studies on Aspergers or HFA. There have been some that show higher rates of depression, Bi-Polar, and Schizophrenia amongst Jews. Its not something we like to talk about; the stereotype of the mentally unstable Jew has been around for more than a hundred years and is a primary tenant of racial antisemitism. Although it may be true to some degree its near impossible to sort out the environmental vs. genetic factors causing this. There have been some studies done by John Hopkins and others attempting to identify specific genes in common between Ashkenazim schizophrenics and manic depressives, but those were not an effort to deduce the epidemiology in the population, but rather the pathology.

I have noticed a few coincidences just reading around; not that they mean much. Nikki Bacharach, the daughter of some famous singer who killed herself due to her AS was Jewish. And a few months ago I was watching a PBS special "This Emotional Life", and Jason Ross the person featured with AS was Jewish.....

I would post some links but it wont let me because I'm new.



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18 Apr 2010, 1:00 am

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My family is Ashkenazi but I'm adopted, so I guess that doesn't count.


That would depend. Did your parents adopt using a Jewish adoption agency? Typically a Jewish child that needs to be adopted will go to a Jewish family. Do you know anything of the circumstances of your birth and adoption?


For a LONG time, an out of wedlock birth to a Jewish woman would be adopted to Jewish parents. Jewish men have been considered less than excellent mate material by Jewish women for a while, leading to a lot of out of wedlock births to Jewish women and white men until the rabbis mostly relented and turned a blind eye to intermarriage. But before then, an illegitimate child of a Jew and a goy would be put up for adoption. If the mom was Jewish, the family would usually demand a Jewish family adopt the child.

Edit: whoops, didn't see Rampion's post...ignore...


Excuse me, but I have to ask this question.... European Jews are white.... Aren't they? I have to ask, because you make mention of Jewish women marrying "white men."
(I always thought they were white, anyhow.)

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18 Apr 2010, 1:20 am

TheDoctor82 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Actually, Luther's antisemitic rants were almost forgotten, till Hitler resurrected them. Even in Luther's life time, his wife, friends, and his fellow theologians were rather embarrassed by his rants against Jews, and saw that these writings were suppressed after he died. Hitler didn't have to base his antisemitism on any thing Luther wrote, rather, he only used it to justify his own hate.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


so then to this day does anyone at all know why in hell Hitler hated Jews to begin with?

I mean...the guy was a moron; I know that, but otherwise....?


Why does anyone hate anyone? Because they look different, or because they believe something different? Or because they can't get over some ancient tribal rivalry (reference to the Balkan tribes of the former Yugoslavia). I personally believe Hitler's antisemitism had its roots in the antisemitism of many medieval Christians who believed Jews were Christ killers, and felt their line was cursed for the rest of time. This antisemitism has survived in Western culture into modern times, though it has evolved from notions of killing Jesus, to the idea that Jews are collectively plotting to rule the world (see the Czarist forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which perhaps encouraged growth of antisemitism more than any other document in the modern world).

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 Apr 2010, 1:24 am

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This Jewish population is also bound to many other genetic conditions in high prevalence other than ASDs (if these are in fact higher in this population).

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... etics.html


This is why crossbreeding is good. Less chance of some recessive nastiness coming out. Plus it's hard to argue with hybrid vigor. Check out these badasses

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Right on, righton!! !! !! !! !! ! My wife and I love President Obama, and our daughter thinks he's a superhero!

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18 Apr 2010, 2:05 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
pezar wrote:
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My family is Ashkenazi but I'm adopted, so I guess that doesn't count.


That would depend. Did your parents adopt using a Jewish adoption agency? Typically a Jewish child that needs to be adopted will go to a Jewish family. Do you know anything of the circumstances of your birth and adoption?


For a LONG time, an out of wedlock birth to a Jewish woman would be adopted to Jewish parents. Jewish men have been considered less than excellent mate material by Jewish women for a while, leading to a lot of out of wedlock births to Jewish women and white men until the rabbis mostly relented and turned a blind eye to intermarriage. But before then, an illegitimate child of a Jew and a goy would be put up for adoption. If the mom was Jewish, the family would usually demand a Jewish family adopt the child.

Edit: whoops, didn't see Rampion's post...ignore...


Excuse me, but I have to ask this question.... European Jews are white.... Aren't they? I have to ask, because you make mention of Jewish women marrying "white men."
(I always thought they were white, anyhow.)

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgau


Gentile or Non-Jew would be more appropriate, but there are some European Jews that are still kinda dark skinned like an Arab.



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18 Apr 2010, 6:58 am

Jews and Arabs belong to Semitic group, so they have some common features :D

But both are white, there's no doubt. Lapps are also white.


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18 Apr 2010, 3:08 pm

I always knew the autistics we're God's choosen people.



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18 Apr 2010, 3:30 pm

Did Adolph Hitler have Asperger's?



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18 Apr 2010, 3:51 pm

Ashkenazik to the bone, am I. I have Asperger Syndrome. I noticed a higher than average rate of clinical depression among the Ashkenzim also.

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18 Apr 2010, 7:47 pm

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Did Adolph Hitler have Asperger's?


Probably more likely Narcissistic personality disorder.

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18 Apr 2010, 7:56 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Did Adolph Hitler have Asperger's?


Probably more likely Narcissistic personality disorder.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


He had a hand tremor very characteristic of parkinsons which can cause a variety of psychological problems, he also apparently took a lot of amphetamines.



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18 Apr 2010, 9:18 pm

1/2-Ashkenazi and likely AS here, it's common from what I've observed in the community.



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07 Mar 2012, 11:10 pm

One of the reasons that Jews were persecuted throughout history is the refusal to assimilate into Western societies. Its a little bit like the rigidity and need for sameness among people with aspergers. All of the strange rules in Judaism seem a bit OCD if not aspergerie. Plus you have the history of high academic achievement. Add to that the difficulty relating with the surrounding cultures and people they lived around historically and it is not hard to imagine that Aspies are over represented among Jews.