Studies Reveal Why Kids Get Bullied and Rejected

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04 Feb 2010, 12:08 pm

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I think that some of the posters in this thread are very naive and unrealistic. The behavior they want eliminated is normal typical human functioning not some kind of aberration. Changing such behavior is difficult if it is even possible. In terms of a child being picked on and rejected others are actually allowed to choose who they socialize with and even if their current peers can be taught to not pick on them, then how will this help that child if they move schools or attempt to interact with children outside their school, or when they are adults and need to get along in the work place?

In an ideal world everyone would accept everyone else, we'd all hold hands and sing coke anthems together in perfect harmony. We do not live in an ideal world though. Parents who want to help their children have a better experience when attempting to interact with peers are unlikely to be able to change each and every one of those peers, nearly as easily as they could teach their child adaptive behaviors that will benefit their child in all kinds of enviornments and circumstances, throughout their childhood and into their adulthood.

It makes a lot more sense for a parent to try to upskill their own child than to try and make everyone else's child a "better person". A parent has more ability to expand their own child's skills than they have to change the behavior of every child at their child's school. Even if a parent can teach every child at their child's school to be nicer people, any benefits to their own child will evaporate as soon as their own child leaves that environment for one fill of children who have not been "improved". If the parents choose to upskill their own child, then the child takes the benefits with them whereever they go.


Not choosing to socialize with someone is one thing, actively picking on them is entirely another.

As to your other point, that you need to upskill to deal with the world, yes, that is reasonable.


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04 Feb 2010, 1:21 pm

Bullying involves a lot of area of gray on the part of both parties. Strangely, some of the same people the bully are the same people whom are bullied. What is considered "bullying" is also a matter of perspective dependant upon a number of human feelings. To put this in to a situation, I got feedback the other day from a long time friend regarding a situation thar him and I were involved together in. My perspective was I was helping him with something that I thought he needed assistance with, he saw the situation as intellectual bullying, he thought that I thought he wasn't bright enough or had the skills to deal with the situation. It is a matter of perspective, that sadly, both parties suffered from. The fast thar we both have AS and ADHD didn't help either, long story.

A piece of advice in dealing with school bullying. I was heavivly bullied until I joined dfferent activities in high school. After that for some reason the bullying stopped. When you share comradere with another group of humans, I think that people have the tendency to look out for one another, and the fear of the group is enough to scare off a threat to a member of the group.



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04 Feb 2010, 2:38 pm

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Two: Not all bullying is physical. A lot of it is emotional and mental. It makes it harder to prove.

DAMN straight. When I was going through all this, sometimes I'd even wish that the kids would do something physical and leave a mark, just so I'd be able to prove it. I only escaped violence because I attended Catholic private schools.
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04 Feb 2010, 4:22 pm

The problem is in the bully. The bully is the kid who needs 'fixing'. Period.

I was reading an article today about some kid who was bullied for being fat. He'd gotten onto some assisted slimming program and lost a bunch of weight, and everyone was praising him for having 'solved' the bullying...and a number of people were saying it was good that he'd been bullied, the bullies had done him a favor. It was adults saying this. Some of them had kids of their own.

Seem it's now seen as perfectly OK to hurt and persecute people to make them try to fit in. It's a trait I've seen increasing in society as a whole over the past decade or so (look at 'reality TV' for endless examples), and I can't see bullying in schools being dealt with properly unless we tackle our adult bullying culture. Yes, I think it's perhaps down to our old animal instincts - if it's different, kill it - but as pointed out, we've mostly acknowledged that we need to make an effort to override other such instincts (beating up your rival, having sex with anyone who takes your fancy) in order to live in a civilized society. High time we worked on this one.


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04 Feb 2010, 4:31 pm

Bullying occurs in the workplace, forums, it occurs anywhere there are bullies, be it child or adult, and they are the ones who need to be put under scrutiny to determine what is wrong with them.



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04 Feb 2010, 6:09 pm

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Bullying is about a whole lot more than whether you can read social cues, though.


True. Bullies frequently use their behaviour to feel better about themselves. There is a high probability that they have suffered some form of abuse or have learned their behaviour from someone else.

At the same time, I think victims need to stand up for themselves. I was bullied at school and I cannot change that, but If I thought back would the bully still target me?



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04 Feb 2010, 6:12 pm

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I think kids get bullied because society seems to accept the fact that some juvenile sociopathic a***hole has the right to assault other children. They need to be studying the bullies and asking why they do what they do, and why culture seems to accept at face value that it's going to happen and it's normal, when if it happens to an adult the perpetrator of the acts can be charged and go to jail.

I wish that was the case when it happens to an adult... that the perpetrator gets charged and goes to jail, but from my experience I only see that happening on movies for television.


I suspect that adult bullies are good at reading social cues, and use this to manipulate the situation so as to avoid punishment.



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04 Feb 2010, 6:18 pm

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Right... you guys do know that you're not supposed to say you recommend murdering people? 'cause some people might think you meant it and then you'd have to deal with the cops... just saying.


I can't say I recommend murdering bullies, but at the same time it wouldn't bother me one bit if they did get killed.



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04 Feb 2010, 6:26 pm

pandd wrote:
I think that some of the posters in this thread are very naive and unrealistic. The behavior they want eliminated is normal typical human functioning not some kind of aberration. Changing such behavior is difficult if it is even possible. In terms of a child being picked on and rejected others are actually allowed to choose who they socialize with and even if their current peers can be taught to not pick on them, then how will this help that child if they move schools or attempt to interact with children outside their school, or when they are adults and need to get along in the work place?

In an ideal world everyone would accept everyone else, we'd all hold hands and sing coke anthems together in perfect harmony. We do not live in an ideal world though. Parents who want to help their children have a better experience when attempting to interact with peers are unlikely to be able to change each and every one of those peers, nearly as easily as they could teach their child adaptive behaviors that will benefit their child in all kinds of enviornments and circumstances, throughout their childhood and into their adulthood.

It makes a lot more sense for a parent to try to upskill their own child than to try and make everyone else's child a "better person". A parent has more ability to expand their own child's skills than they have to change the behavior of every child at their child's school. Even if a parent can teach every child at their child's school to be nicer people, any benefits to their own child will evaporate as soon as their own child leaves that environment for one fill of children who have not been "improved". If the parents choose to upskill their own child, then the child takes the benefits with them whereever they go.


True, improve your own child's social skill set and teach them to stand up for themselves. But I also think the bully and their environment (allowing this behaviour to occur) need help too. Is their dysfunction at home? how do the family treat him/her? How does he/she feel about himself and those around him/her? Is a mental illness or personality disorder involved?

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I'm not sure why bullies do what they do. Most of the kids that bullied me seem like they had pretty good lives. I remember one girl in particular at school who had a lot of friends as well as good looks. I could never understand why she had it in for me.

They do it for fun or they start hating you for a very minor thing about your personality. When people make jokes about weight, race or disability I see this as a starting stage of bullying.
I knew some people that would harass people online (or troll) and it got me thinking that was probably how they were in school. I have since distanced myself from them.
I had two girls that verbally abused me (not at the same time, in different schools) and I didn't really know why. I didn't talk so they probably thought I didn't like them too, but I suppose race and the fact that I was a bit tomboyish were contributing factors.


MissConstrue, did this bully seem narcisisstic in any way? Pensieve has a point about tolerating bullying and the pully's perspective. If someone else decides there's something "wrong" with you and you deserve to be "punished" for it, you can do little to change that except stand up for yourself. I add that Prejudice on the bully's part is a factor.



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04 Feb 2010, 6:29 pm

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Bullying is about a whole lot more than whether you can read social cues, though.


True. Bullies frequently use their behaviour to feel better about themselves. There is a high probability that they have suffered some form of abuse or have learned their behaviour from someone else.

At the same time, I think victims need to stand up for themselves. I was bullied at school and I cannot change that, but If I thought back would the bully still target me?


While I imagine that was a slip of the fingers, I like the idea of "thought back" instead of "fought back" as it describes using one's intellect over one's brutality.


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04 Feb 2010, 6:35 pm

Brutality (bullying) is one and the same be it physical or mental.



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04 Feb 2010, 6:44 pm

Brutality and bullying are not synonyms.


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04 Feb 2010, 6:49 pm

Bullies, predators and perpetrators are very skilled in identifying those who are most vulnerable, the weakest link so to speak, in order to more perfectly enact or perpetrate their wiles.



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04 Feb 2010, 8:04 pm

Only if one presupposes that all bullies are that way by design and intent; bullying behavior has myriad causes that go beyond the scope provided here.


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04 Feb 2010, 8:50 pm

Bullying of any "design" or "intent" is a form of cowardice and, imo, isn't worthy of consideration in regard to their "causes".



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04 Feb 2010, 8:55 pm

I think most of my bullies were junior phycopaths. The girls who would emotionaly bully me couldn't have had it any better, A plus students on the junior cheerleading leaque (my school had a division or cheerleaders as young as kindergarden... and they even had the mentality that young) who were teacher's pets. One teacher in pitcular seemed to belittle me for kicks.


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