Can austistics have paranormal abilities?
bee33 wrote:
buryuntime wrote:
There isn't such a thing as a paranormal ability, so no.
I have to agree. While there are many things we don't know and don't understand, beliefs that are akin to fairy tales are very unlikely to turn out to be correct explanations for the mysteries we don't yet know about the universe.
Are you saying that there are mysteries that are later explained by science? (Such as things like ball lightning, the Marfa, Texas lights phenomena, etc.)?
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glider18 wrote:
bee33 wrote:
buryuntime wrote:
There isn't such a thing as a paranormal ability, so no.
I have to agree. While there are many things we don't know and don't understand, beliefs that are akin to fairy tales are very unlikely to turn out to be correct explanations for the mysteries we don't yet know about the universe.
Are you saying that there are mysteries that are later explained by science? (Such as things like ball lightning, the Marfa, Texas lights phenomena, etc.)?
They may or may not ever be explained by science (there's much still to be discovered or understood) but that doesn't mean we should jump to the improbable conclusion that they must somehow be supernatural events. That amounts to nothing more than superstition.
rmgh wrote:
It's simple, this discussion. Some of us are closed minded and think that science as we know it is proves it can't exist and think that new discoveries WITH science can't happen. Which is why I used to flat earth thing. And some of us are open minded and can accept that there might be something we have yet to discover which with the current science we have is very difficult to prove. And then, there's crazy people who come up with all sorts of baloney. Hence why we come to the word "paranormal". But none of us here are that.
What? I don't think anyone stated this. The paranormal doesn't exist because such things are likely to be explained with science, even if we can't explain them at the moment. I don't see that grounds for referring to them as paranormal, maybe this is really a discussion of semantics.
bee33 wrote:
glider18 wrote:
bee33 wrote:
buryuntime wrote:
There isn't such a thing as a paranormal ability, so no.
I have to agree. While there are many things we don't know and don't understand, beliefs that are akin to fairy tales are very unlikely to turn out to be correct explanations for the mysteries we don't yet know about the universe.
Are you saying that there are mysteries that are later explained by science? (Such as things like ball lightning, the Marfa, Texas lights phenomena, etc.)?
They may or may not ever be explained by science (there's much still to be discovered or understood) but that doesn't mean we should jump to the improbable conclusion that they must somehow be supernatural events. That amounts to nothing more than superstition.
Yes, I agree with this. Though I do keep open-minded to possibilities, I do believe there are worldly explanations to many unexplained phenomena. By the way Bee33, I like your avatar.
I do what to share two true stories from my life.
First, in 1980 I decided to investigate a cemetery with a reputation for being haunted. It was near my grandparents' house. It is a small township cemetery with graves dating back to the early 1800's. I took with me two individuals interested in this research. We set up three tape recorders on graves, one of which had been the site of a grave robbery. After the tape recorders were set up, we left the cemetery and remained in our car. A battery operated light was left on illuminating Tape Recorder 1---the grave that seemed to be the best bet for paranormal activity. It was night. After the 45 minute duration of the tape recording, we retrieved the three tape recorders, our light, and went home. I had the three tapes. Tapes 2 and 3 contained nothing. But Tape 1 did. Well into the recording on this beforehand blank tape, were a couple moaning sounds. Several minutes later, there was laughter followed by a moan. During the tape recording, we watched the graves from our car and remained silent. I have no explanation for the sounds on that tape.
Second, just a few years ago, I invited a paranormal investigation team to the same cemetery. They too recorded unusual voices on their recording equipment.
Theories??? I have related on previous posts the theory that certain things could be recorded onto some as yet to be scientifically discovered ectoplasm---or similar matter. Then, under certain circumstances those events could play back like a movie and/ or sound recording. This could explain the common phenomena of seeing the ghost of a living person. Maybe imprints of our lives are left on this yet to be discovered film. This theory definitely ties into a scientific explanation---just one that hasn't been found yet.
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pat2rome wrote:
No. Nobody can have paranormal abilities.
Well...that is your opinion. But there are many who believe otherwise. I choose to remain open-minded. But I do admit as I drive past the local fortune teller's business on my way to town that I am very skeptical. But there are many things that have happened that are either incredible coincidence, or perhaps something else.
The beauty of the paranormal (which includes psychic abilities) is it cannot be proved, and it cannot be disproved. It can only be debated and wondered about.
Just because it cannot be explained by science doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We don't understand ball lightning---but it's real, We don't understand the Marfa Lights in Texas, but they're real. And---we don't understand our autism---but it's real.
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Jono wrote:
There is no such thing as a paranormal ability and the supernatural doesn't exist, by it's own definition.
Ball lightning is considered paranormal/ supernatural. But it exists. And don't say it exists because science has accepted it. In fact, science cannot explain it---but yet they acknowledge its existence. Welcome to the world of the paranormal and the supernatural. It's all around us. Why? Because the definition of the paranormal is, "the range of normal experience or scientific explanation." And the definition of the supernatural is, "anything unexplainable by natural law or phenomena." Well...ball lightning is beyond the range of normal experience, and it definitely defies scientific explanation. And it is unexplainable by natural laws or phenomena. It may one day be understood, but not yet. But it is proven real. And there are paranormal abilities that cannot be explained by scientific methods as well. But yet they exist. The paranormal and supernatural isn't as "ghostly" as many think it to be.
Since we are looking at definitions, the original thread here is if we autistics can have paranormal abilities. By definition, "Yes." Why? because autistics can have savant abilities. And savantism is not explainable by scientific methods. Thus, by definition, savantism is paranormal. Therefore, we autistics can have paranormal abilities.
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glider18 wrote:
Jono wrote:
There is no such thing as a paranormal ability and the supernatural doesn't exist, by it's own definition.
Ball lightning is considered paranormal/ supernatural. But it exists. And don't say it exists because science has accepted it. In fact, science cannot explain it---but yet they acknowledge its existence. Welcome to the world of the paranormal and the supernatural. It's all around us. Why? Because the definition of the paranormal is, "the range of normal experience or scientific explanation." And the definition of the supernatural is, "anything unexplainable by natural law or phenomena." Well...ball lightning is beyond the range of normal experience, and it definitely defies scientific explanation. And it is unexplainable by natural laws or phenomena. It may one day be understood, but not yet. But it is proven real. And there are paranormal abilities that cannot be explained by scientific methods as well. But yet they exist. The paranormal and supernatural isn't as "ghostly" as many think it to be.
Ball lightning is not supernatural. Even if we don't currently have an explanation for a particular phenomenon, it doesn't mean that known physical laws can't explain it. In any case, there are some suggested explanations for ball lightning, we just don't know what the correct one is.
Jono wrote:
glider18 wrote:
Jono wrote:
There is no such thing as a paranormal ability and the supernatural doesn't exist, by it's own definition.
Ball lightning is considered paranormal/ supernatural. But it exists. And don't say it exists because science has accepted it. In fact, science cannot explain it---but yet they acknowledge its existence. Welcome to the world of the paranormal and the supernatural. It's all around us. Why? Because the definition of the paranormal is, "the range of normal experience or scientific explanation." And the definition of the supernatural is, "anything unexplainable by natural law or phenomena." Well...ball lightning is beyond the range of normal experience, and it definitely defies scientific explanation. And it is unexplainable by natural laws or phenomena. It may one day be understood, but not yet. But it is proven real. And there are paranormal abilities that cannot be explained by scientific methods as well. But yet they exist. The paranormal and supernatural isn't as "ghostly" as many think it to be.
Ball lightning is not supernatural. Even if we don't currently have an explanation for a particular phenomenon, it doesn't mean that known physical laws can't explain it. In any case, there are some suggested explanations for ball lightning, we just don't know what the correct one is.
Therefore it is paranormal/ supernatural by definition---it isn't explained. And neither are savants. Therefore paranormal/ supernatural---by definition.
I am just glad I am open-minded on the paranormal and supernatural.
Now I have to get ready for my sister-in-laws birthday party. That does promise to be supernatural---strange things can happen at those. So...talk with you later.
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glider18 wrote:
Jono wrote:
glider18 wrote:
Jono wrote:
There is no such thing as a paranormal ability and the supernatural doesn't exist, by it's own definition.
Ball lightning is considered paranormal/ supernatural. But it exists. And don't say it exists because science has accepted it. In fact, science cannot explain it---but yet they acknowledge its existence. Welcome to the world of the paranormal and the supernatural. It's all around us. Why? Because the definition of the paranormal is, "the range of normal experience or scientific explanation." And the definition of the supernatural is, "anything unexplainable by natural law or phenomena." Well...ball lightning is beyond the range of normal experience, and it definitely defies scientific explanation. And it is unexplainable by natural laws or phenomena. It may one day be understood, but not yet. But it is proven real. And there are paranormal abilities that cannot be explained by scientific methods as well. But yet they exist. The paranormal and supernatural isn't as "ghostly" as many think it to be.
Ball lightning is not supernatural. Even if we don't currently have an explanation for a particular phenomenon, it doesn't mean that known physical laws can't explain it. In any case, there are some suggested explanations for ball lightning, we just don't know what the correct one is.
Therefore it is paranormal/ supernatural by definition---it isn't explained. And neither are savants. Therefore paranormal/ supernatural---by definition.
I am just glad I am open-minded on the paranormal and supernatural.
Now I have to get ready for my sister-in-laws birthday party. That does promise to be supernatural---strange things can happen at those. So...talk with you later.
The definition of supernatural is something that doesn't follow the laws of nature. Since physical law applies to everything in the universe, even the things for which we currently don't have an explanation, the supernatural cannot exist. With regards to claims of the paranormal, they are mostly claims, like hauntings, ESP etc, which have never hold up to scientific scrutiny and a lot of them are hoaxes. If something has been confirmed to exist, I wouldn't use the word paranormal for that reason but they are certainly not supernatural and an explanation is possible. With ball lightning, the fact that there are reasonable hypotheses that could explain it means that it is perfectly natural.
buryuntime wrote:
rmgh wrote:
It's simple, this discussion. Some of us are closed minded and think that science as we know it is proves it can't exist and think that new discoveries WITH science can't happen. Which is why I used to flat earth thing. And some of us are open minded and can accept that there might be something we have yet to discover which with the current science we have is very difficult to prove. And then, there's crazy people who come up with all sorts of baloney. Hence why we come to the word "paranormal". But none of us here are that.
What? I don't think anyone stated this. The paranormal doesn't exist because such things are likely to be explained with science, even if we can't explain them at the moment. I don't see that grounds for referring to them as paranormal, maybe this is really a discussion of semantics.
You cannot say something doesn't exist because science COULD prove it wrong in the future. For the same reason why you can't say it does exist. But you can consider the possibility.
rmgh wrote:
buryuntime wrote:
rmgh wrote:
It's simple, this discussion. Some of us are closed minded and think that science as we know it is proves it can't exist and think that new discoveries WITH science can't happen. Which is why I used to flat earth thing. And some of us are open minded and can accept that there might be something we have yet to discover which with the current science we have is very difficult to prove. And then, there's crazy people who come up with all sorts of baloney. Hence why we come to the word "paranormal". But none of us here are that.
What? I don't think anyone stated this. The paranormal doesn't exist because such things are likely to be explained with science, even if we can't explain them at the moment. I don't see that grounds for referring to them as paranormal, maybe this is really a discussion of semantics.
You cannot say something doesn't exist because science COULD prove it wrong in the future. For the same reason why you can't say it does exist. But you can consider the possibility.
Holy crap man, what's this????
Did you go to school? What went wrong, and where/how?
Telekinesis:
Weak nuclear, strong nuclear, electromagnetism, gravity? Those four fundamental forces are the only ways to effect an object remotely. Which of the 4 fundamental forces is a human capable of generating in order to move an object remotely? (We aren't, obviously!)
Predicting the future/ clairvoyance:
Do you even realize what this would mean? Violating the causality and the arrow of time? Fundamental properties of this universe? Impossible.
Ghosts:
We are a results of an evolutionary process from a single celled organism all the way up to us. When we die the electro-chemical processes in our brain stop and that's that. There is no such thing as a soul and there is no such thing as afterlife or ghosts.
The fundamental laws of physics as we know them are immutable! Sure there are things we don't yet know. HOWEVER what we know so far precludes any possibility of what you refer to as paranormal.
If you want to live in a fantasy world, well that's your right. It is my business to correct you and people like you, so fewer individuals follow your example.
Dilbert wrote:
rmgh wrote:
buryuntime wrote:
rmgh wrote:
It's simple, this discussion. Some of us are closed minded and think that science as we know it is proves it can't exist and think that new discoveries WITH science can't happen. Which is why I used to flat earth thing. And some of us are open minded and can accept that there might be something we have yet to discover which with the current science we have is very difficult to prove. And then, there's crazy people who come up with all sorts of baloney. Hence why we come to the word "paranormal". But none of us here are that.
What? I don't think anyone stated this. The paranormal doesn't exist because such things are likely to be explained with science, even if we can't explain them at the moment. I don't see that grounds for referring to them as paranormal, maybe this is really a discussion of semantics.
You cannot say something doesn't exist because science COULD prove it wrong in the future. For the same reason why you can't say it does exist. But you can consider the possibility.
Holy crap man, what's this????
Did you go to school? What went wrong, and where/how?
Telekinesis:
Weak nuclear, strong nuclear, electromagnetism, gravity? Those four fundamental forces are the only ways to effect an object remotely. Which of the 4 fundamental forces is a human capable of generating in order to move an object remotely? (We aren't, obviously!)
Predicting the future/ clairvoyance:
Do you even realize what this would mean? Violating the causality and the arrow of time? Fundamental properties of this universe? Impossible.
Ghosts:
We are a results of an evolutionary process from a single celled organism all the way up to us. When we die the electro-chemical processes in our brain stop and that's that. There is no such thing as a soul and there is no such thing as afterlife or ghosts.
The fundamental laws of physics as we know them are immutable! Sure there are things we don't yet know. HOWEVER what we know so far precludes any possibility of what you refer to as paranormal.
If you want to live in a fantasy world, well that's your right. It is my business to correct you and people like you, so fewer individuals follow your example.
If you must know, I wasn't good at school. But that doesn't mean I can't spot someone having a narrow minded opinion. You summarise what we are talking about with these rediculous examples which we all know are stupid. Just because someone can believe the possibility that we are more connected than just standing on the same planet, doesn't mean they think there's UFOs flying around that the government are trying to hide the evidence of.