Eugenics is alive and well in Britain

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19 Oct 2010, 12:12 am

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I wish someone would pay me a nice wad of cash simply for the fact that I don't ever plan to have children...


Yeah me too. I'm getting a hystorectomy soon but I have to pay for it. I wish I could be payed for getting it.



Im going the sheer willpower path in regards to it. Lets just say I don't have ANY sexual instinct. Not for a long while. Meditation throughout has definitely helped.


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19 Oct 2010, 12:20 am

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I don't think its unethical. They're probably making more of a choice to get sterilized than they would when they got somebody pregnant. I have known quite a few people in real life (male or female) who opted for surgery to prevent having children, and they weren't on drugs. They simply didn't want kids or they'd already had kids and didn't want any more kids. The drug addicted people probably can't afford this surgery on their own. And they have a choice anyway, it's not being forced on them. To say they don't have a choice because they are on drugs would make offering them money to do anything at all unethical, and would also excuse any means of getting money (say, robbing a bank) for the same reason. Being on drugs doesn't make you unaccountable, and people still make decisions on how to live (not to mention the decision to use the drugs in the first place). The decision to get sterilized might be one of the more responsible ones.

Don't get me wrong, I love kids, I have a kid, and I wouldn't want to be sterilized nor would ever have considered this. There are other people who DON'T want to have kids (maybe they know they wouldn't be good parents, or maybe they simply have no interest, or they have medical or other reasons... or they've already had enough. Or they know they aren't careful enough about not getting pregnant). It's still their choice. It's better than getting an abortion later, in my opinion.


You have articulated my point much better than I have.

As for my reasons for not ever desiring having kids, there are a multitude including.
-Its Ecologically/Environmentally responsible.
-Lots more "me time"
-Don't have to put up with the guilt of bringing them into a world created of BS.
-There are way too many people for resources to support anyways.
-Why not adopt a kid? There are plenty out there that need a home. Thats the alternative that those who get the sterilization can fall back on, so thus there is a slippery slope stopper IMO for those who regret it and s**t.


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19 Oct 2010, 3:19 am

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I thought it seemed like something which would have originated in the US, and when I clicked on the link my suspicions were proved correct.

I can understand concerns about drug addicts having children as many of those children are born addicted and then neglected and/or abused after birth. However, to offer people money in exchange for sterilisation is unethical. I hope this organisation is stopped.



Ethics and morals/good and evil are relative IMO. I myself consider it perfectly fine as long as you don't force it upon those who are unwilling. Only thing bugging me is that I thing they should be payed quite a bit more for giving up the ability to have children.


So they spend it all at once and OD?


I really wouldnt care if they ODed, it would be yet another useless person gone.


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