I failed "Theory of Mind"

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I would guess Porsche unless she did her research and found out he was wrong. So she would think Ford.

Did you pass or fail?

I would say Ford because it would have a name plate on it.

i don't think it's about being interrested in the interpersonal scenario here....i would never have guessed there WAS a social scenario happening in the first place! let alone "trickery"...if asked, what the girls were doing, i would have said they were participating in an experiment. testing sally's intelligence or something.

Failed.

I don't know how I would have responded as a child but I can say even now my focus would be on where I knew the

marble to be rather than the correct answer. The correct answer I would have to "walk through" in my mind whereas the

marble is in the box comes without effort. Maybe it's because I care more about the correct location of the marble than

whatever Sally would be thinking. Am I making sense?

When the kid said the other basket I was thinking "what are you thinking, why would she look in that basket first for her marble and I thought I failed it." I guess I passed because I said the other basket.

The test is given to young children, ages 4-5 I believe. Most AS kids get it wrong because they can't place themselves into the shoes of Sally Anne supposedly. Most of what I have seen is that AS people do develop a theory of mind but it is delayed so that an 8 year AS would get the right answer. Personally, I just reason these sort of things out without attaching any sort of mental telepathy to anybody.

yes i follow the ball too. my mind just follows the ball. sally? who's sally? hehehe

i passed it.

IRL i apparently have a habit of telling half of a story and somehow miss giving any names to the characters, then get irritated off because nobody knows what the heck i am talking about. on some level, i expect they will know all of the details because *i* know them. it goes something like this:

"you would not believe what happened today! he said i do the inputs really well, but i guess that makes sense because i have better training than she does."

yeah, it drives my husband nuts. by the time i explain all of the details, it stops being interesting or important.

Yup, that's what I did, too.

I wasn't thinking of it as a social scenario either - I was thinking of it as a test used to determine whether people have theory of mind. If I'd been asked, I would have said that Anne was hiding it, but that's not where my attention was.

Yeah, "interested" may not have been the right word, but what I meant was that an NT is constantly, automatically looking for social situations, social dynamics, etc., even at a young age, whereas the autistic brain does not appear to do this to the same extent, it is more focused on other things like objects and information. Is that more clear?

I I find this whole issue fascinating. I remember being a child and having very little or no conception that i was supposed to play with the other children at school. I was indifferent to the advances of friendship that were occasionally made by other children. I didn't really know what was going on or have any interest in the situation, other children were incomprehensible to me. What I remember most from my childhood are places and objects, not other people.

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yes, i see what you meant by "interested now basically, we were agreeing on the idea....there's no social scenario in a cartoon. especially when you're studying cartoon characters who were drawn specifically to test something about you. i think that might be why my brain went to "the girls are participating in an experiment "by the way..........i totally lack theory of mind, especially for cartoon non existent people.....

Bleh. I'd rather just tell them the truth and not worry whether they think I'm lying. They need real physical evidence to warrent an arrest. Otherwise they're corrupt.