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02 Dec 2010, 3:23 pm

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It was sad. It was moving that he worked so hard just to achieve the dream of flying. It wasn't that he was commuting suicide he just wanted to feel what it was like to truly fly and he did. It just shows that if you really want something and work hard at it it will happen for the most part.


Yet, if you look closely, it does not really fly, it's an illusion, so what could we think about that ? (I should stop watching this video right now, I'm full of questions).



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02 Dec 2010, 3:31 pm

lostD wrote:
labnjab wrote:
It was sad. It was moving that he worked so hard just to achieve the dream of flying. It wasn't that he was commuting suicide he just wanted to feel what it was like to truly fly and he did. It just shows that if you really want something and work hard at it it will happen for the most part.


Yet, if you look closely, it does not really fly, it's an illusion, so what could we think about that ? (I should stop watching this video right now, I'm full of questions).


LOL.

I wonder if the person that did the animation intended all these layers of meaning or if they just thought it was a cute idea.

Damn that aspie tendency to analyze things to death.


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02 Dec 2010, 3:53 pm

Lol I am begining to think he did wavefreak.

@lostDThats true he didnt really fly just look like he did my mistake on saying that.

Its amazing the things that makes us have so many questions and then analyze and question it more. Crazy aspie tendency lol


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02 Dec 2010, 3:57 pm

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Lol I am begining to think he did wavefreak.

@lostDThats true he didnt really fly just look like he did my mistake on saying that.

Its amazing the things that makes us have so many questions and then analyze and question it more. Crazy aspie tendency lol


I did the same mistake the first time I saw the video, now I can't stop thinking about all the details in it. It's amazing, I do not know whether the author had thought about that but his work is definetely brilliant.



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02 Dec 2010, 5:47 pm

I wonder whether the reason NTs don't get it is because the kiwi doesn't show emotion like a human. Except for the tears, we have only his actions.


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02 Dec 2010, 6:52 pm

I think another factor is that aspies tend to be more visual thinkers than NTs (in general, not exclusively). The video is extremely visual, and uses direct imagery to convey an emotional concept. If instead, all you saw was a written script, as an aspie you may not get the same feeling as you do watching it. At least that's how it is for me.



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02 Dec 2010, 7:24 pm

Maybe a lot of the people who don't get it have never felt like the bird?

I'm not sure I know how to put it in to words, or maybe I don't feel like trying, but I get it.



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02 Dec 2010, 8:18 pm

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Maybe a lot of the people who don't get it have never felt like the bird?

I'm not sure I know how to put it in to words, or maybe I don't feel like trying, but I get it.


Yeah, I really identify with the bird. I know what you mean and completely agree. I think that's part of why there are no words in the video.



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03 Dec 2010, 7:47 am

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Not sure what this has to do with autism, but it was clever.

Any Kiwi smart enough to set trees up on a cliff to simulate flying would certainly have some sort of landing figured out. I didn't see the bird die. Why is anyone assuming that was the outcome?


Because you hear him hit the bottom.

The video isn't about him killing himself. It's about pursuing your dreams no matter the cost. I don't see the connection with autism, either but I liked the video.


I just saw a little guy wanting something he could never have.


But he achieved it. I think the tear is evidence of that. He closes his eyes to fully experience it and is completely in that moment because he finally achieved his goal.


Interesting. I thought the tear was because he could never really have it, only a sad approximation.


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03 Dec 2010, 8:34 am

DandelionFireworks wrote:
I wonder whether the reason NTs don't get it is because the kiwi doesn't show emotion like a human. Except for the tears, we have only his actions.

He was crying??



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03 Dec 2010, 8:48 am

I felt very moved by the video, but I can't for the life of me understand why. Bloody alexithymia.


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03 Dec 2010, 9:28 am

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Interesting. I thought the tear was because he could never really have it, only a sad approximation.


I thought the tear was just from the wind blowing in his eyes.

Funny, I mostly watched this as a sequence of events and did not project any emotions onto it. More evidence of the lack of empathy thing?


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03 Dec 2010, 10:05 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Kaybee wrote:
Interesting. I thought the tear was because he could never really have it, only a sad approximation.


I thought the tear was just from the wind blowing in his eyes.


:lol: I thought ly the same thing at first !

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I think another factor is that aspies tend to be more visual thinkers than NTs (in general, not exclusively). The video is extremely visual, and uses direct imagery to convey an emotional concept. If instead, all you saw was a written script, as an aspie you may not get the same feeling as you do watching it. At least that's how it is for me.


I think 30% of the population (in general) is made of visual thinkers. Or at least, that most people can use a kind of visual thinking. I'm not sure about this because I am not in other people's head anyway.

I have shown this video to some people. Many were bored and said "stop showing me cartoon", others thought it was hilarious (at first I thought it would be funny, the classic gag of a creature falling down) and my mother who is a NT get it and was moved. She did not went as far as us in her reflexion though.

(Technically, I am non autistic, so maybe it's just that some people do not want to take the time to really watch it and understand the many meanings of it, it's like reading a book, sometimes there is more in it that most people think).

The meaning of it or the feelings we get probably comes from the music, the point of view (I love the shift in this video, the author succeed in making look like a real flight so that one can almost forget that the bird is just falling down) and the thinking.

Some people think it's funny, other will find this sad, and others will try to find the various meanings and start a philosophical debate about it. :lol:

(I am glad that I am not the only one who thought : why is not it wearing safety glasses or something like that.)

Anyway, this is really a good work because we can see it on so many levels.



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03 Dec 2010, 4:50 pm

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It took me awhile to get what was going on. I was focused more on the music and the shape of the kiwi.
But I did feel for it at the end.


I had a similar reaction the first time. I´m quite a music oriented person, so I was focused mostly on the song- (it was a good song). The text kind of distracted me, and since the text didn´t exactly match what the bird was doing at each moment, I was a little confused. In addition, the link didn´t work for me for some reason, so instead I googled "Kiwi Bird" on YouTube, and the whole time I was watching it I wondered "is this the right video?" After that, I came back back and read the comments from everybody- yes, it was the right video- so then I re-watched it, and it was clear to me then....(sometimes it takes awhile for me to process things I guess, especially when they´re multi-layered). :oops: I think I was taking the text of the song too literally at first, but now I see how it symbolically relates to the visual.

Somehow, I missed the tear....don´t know how I did that, I must have been looking at something else at the time (I´ll have to watch it again now). I did catch the look of glee as the bird was all ready to jump, as well as expressions of concentration, and preparation for the jump. The bird was very expressive (and it was a cute bird). I definitely found it very moving, but somehow more in an uplifting kind of way rather than a sad way. I guess because the bird was convinced about its decision, and seemed to be ecstatic. If just seemed right, somehow, that the bird take that jump.


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03 Dec 2010, 8:35 pm

Text? What text?

The link - yeah it didn't work. When I put the url tags around it, they showed up in the post rather than creating a link. I don't know what's wrong with the WP board but most of the time my url and img tags don't work. I've seen it in other people's posts too.

Yeah it was pretty clear to me the tear was one of joy and fulfillment, not sadness or depression. The expressions just before the jump, as you pointed out, indicated the feelings. The kiwi was quite clearly excited about what was about to happen. In the bird's point of view feeling like he was flying was so good it didn't matter what happened next.



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03 Dec 2010, 10:31 pm

Really? Before the jump the bird seemed scared to me.

And there was no text. I don't think there was text. What song are you talking about? Huh?

Just copy and paste the link.


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